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This topic was originally posted in this forum: '64 1/2 to '68 1/2 -- The Classic Mustang
Author Topic:   Was there ever a '68 427 "W" code Mustang?
SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-17-2000 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     
Ken just sent me this e-mail, and it's so interesting we thought we'd post it here;

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Referring to the subject about the validity of any 1968 427 "W" code Mustangs I figured I'd go right to probably the best source of information on the subject, Mr. Bob Tasca himself. I'm going to cut/paste the two responses I've gotten so far in this mail. Here is the first reply in response to an inquiry about the "Tasca Super Boss 429".
I hope you don't get bored because this is rather long. (I think)
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Subj: Tasca Ford
Date: 1/12/00 4:22:48 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: feedback@tasca.com (Eileen Aquilante)
To: kenr59@aol.com

Dear Ken,
We wanted to send you a note to let you know that Mr. Tasca is out of town for the next couple of weeks and he would be the only person who might have information on this car. I will leave this email on his desk and
I'm sure if he knows anything he will answer it as soon as he comes back.
Thanks Tasca Ford Sales
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This was their second reply sent a few days later:
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Subj: Tasca Ford
Date: 1/17/00 10:30:49 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: feedback@tasca.com (Eileen Aquilante)
To: kenr59@aol.com

Dear Ken
How are you? well Mr. Tasca came back today and he wrote a little information down and here it is. back in the 70's he sold the Street Boss to the Campbell family in Brooklyn the son took it to South Carolina and the last he heard it was destroyed in a fire . He received a picture that the car was available for purchase but it was stripped and burnt and he was not interested in it. As of right now he has heard of 353 people who claim to have Bob Tasca's original Street Boss and he doesn't know of anyone who
actually has it . This is all the information he has. I hope it helps a little bit.
Thanks Bob Tasca Sr.
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Don't lose interest yet Alex !!!!! This is a copy of the last e-mail I sent
to them tonight.
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Subj: Re: Tasca Ford
Date: 1/17/00 7:21:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: KENR59
To: feedback@tasca.com

Eileen, thank-you very much for the information you supplied. Now that we've got the "Super Boss 429" issue taken care of I was wondering if Mr. Tasca can settle our Web Site Forum's most discussed issue/dilema.

The heated topic in the forum is entitled "Mystery Car...68 "W"code 427 Mustang". Please bear with me Eileen !!!!!

One of our forum administrators that has been racing and selling Mustangs since 1971 from Lyons, Illinois started this topic with this posting
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Author Topic: Mystery car...68 "w" code 427 Mustang Hmmm!
Moneymaker
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posted 12-30-1999 03:03 PM
In reviewing "Mustang ID Numbers 64 1/2-93 book by Cars and Parts", I stumbled upon the 68 engine availability section. Low and behold the 427 390HP "w" code is listed! I have heard rumors, read about alleged cars, and sightings of these rarest of the rare Mustangs. Always they have been refuted
or "made up" cars. FoMoCo has never admitted nor denied that any were ever built. Anyone ever "REALLY" seen one? I thought this was a dead issue until I received this book. I also have an original 68 Mustang owners manual and it shows maintenance schedule for 427! Fact or Fiction? Did they build them or not? What is your ......final answer?
.....Alex Denysenko Co-administrator and Moderator.....

This second posting came in from Alex following even more research.
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-01-2000 01:57 PM
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Since Tasca's involvement with FoMoCo was and still is great, I'm certain that was possible. I have print documentation that Bob Tasca got factory line installed 427 LTD's (2 and 4door) and T-birds for his own and personal family use in 65, 66, and 67! Where are these cars now? They were serialized
correctly also. Tasca also got the one and only factory build automatic Boss 429 Mustang. You all know that Tasca Ford is the father of the 428 CJ don't you? I still think there had to be more than one! FoMoCo just doesn't work that way. They overkill on prototype stuff.
.....Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator.....

And this is the most recent posting.
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-08-2000 02:22 AM
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Two things!
1. I have SEEN a 68 427 Torino Fastback GT.
2. I still believe there were more than 1 Mustang (besides a Shelby conv. no less) made with a "W" 427. There is entirely too much documentation from FoMoCo in shop and service manuals to support the cars!
.....Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator.....

We have been hashing this subject for a few months now and I would love to be the one to come up with the answer from probably the best source of information on this subject, Mr. Tasca himself.

Eileen, could you please print out this message and show it to Mr. Tasca himself to see if he can shed any light/documentation on this subject ??
The Web Site that I've been referring to is www.mustangsandmore.com, just in case either you or Mr.Tasca would like to visit and maybe join.

Thank-you very much for your patience,
Ken Russo
kenr59@aol.com

So don't lose hope yet pal.....maybe we'll get to the bottom of this yet!!!!! Do you think I went about this the right way ???

Ken


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Moneymaker
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posted 01-18-2000 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker     
Many thanks to Ken for his communication with Tasca Ford. We may get this solved yet! If we do, we'll have done a better job than any of the Mustang or FoMoCo magazines have been able to do. Alex

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TomP
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posted 01-18-2000 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP     
Hey... lets hope,eh! I have seen statistics for all the 428CJ Mustangs and Cougars ,Torino/Fairlanes and Montego/Cyclones as well as 427"W"Cougars and 427 full size 65 and 66 Fords ....what was the source for these numbers?
In a 1981 letter to Ford asking about production numbers ,this is the reply(yes i kept them !)i got....."in reply to your letter with many questions about 1966 - 1967 Comets,you asked how many were built with various engines and transmissions. I am sorry,our records do not contain details of the various options ordered."

Of course in the ensuing 19 years i have seen a few breakdowns of these numbers of 427 Comets. Who has the rest of them?


SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-18-2000 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     
Here's the latest;
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Subject:
The "Old Brush-Off"
Date:
Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:59:00 EST
From:
KENR59@aol.com
To:
MONYMKRSS@aol.com, webmaster@mustangsandmore.com

Alex & Steve, we got the standard reply that I expected from a middle-man.
But, within the next week or so I'm going to attempt this again with the "Old Snail Mail" method, except this time I'll address it to
Mr. Tasca himself. Maybe that will work !!!!!

Ken

PS: Heres the reply I got today,

Subj: Bob Tasca
Date: 1/18/00 1:01:14 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: feedback@tasca.com (Eileen Aquilante)
To: kenr59@aol.com

Dear Ken,
We would love to be able to answer all of your questions but unfortunately Mr. Tasca is a very busy man and just doesn't have the time.
He is going out of town again today. He would like to thank you for your remarks and wish he could help you more.
Thanks Bob Tasca & Tasca Ford Sales

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"TO BE CONTINUED"

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mustangs68
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posted 01-19-2000 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68     
The 428 CJ was introduced on April 1,1968(Don't you just love that timing by Ford).Pure power in a light weight body.
The 428 CJ was optioned in 2253 Fastbacks and 563 Hardtops.There were an unknown number of Convertibles ordered some have placed the number of units at 15 to 20 however no-one is sure due to poor record keeping.We have seen one number given which said the total Production run was 2816 units.But adding the numbers give above this is in question when you added the Convertible units.

source:www.mustangs68.com
research:lot of reading from several Ford/Mustang Books.and asking question..most seemed stupid..but got great answers!

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fordfan
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posted 01-20-2000 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fordfan     
my HPBooks:

"Mustang Restoration guide" (page 11, last paragraph.)states this about the '68:

"High Performance engines were a must, so Ford offered two of them: a High Performance 302 and a 427-CID big-block. These both saw very limited production and were dropped in favor of the potent 428 Cobra Jet (CJ)."

302 HiPo?!, man this just keeps gettin' weirder..

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'41 Chevy Pickup
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Moneymaker
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posted 01-20-2000 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker     
302 HIPO was the ill fated 302 Tunnel Port which was indeed produced and installed in several cars. Mustangs and Cougars both. Alex

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Kevin Marti
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posted 01-21-2000 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin Marti     
Sam and the group,
I can tell you that Ford did indeed install 427 engines into cars at the Dearborn assembly plant in 1968 - its just that every one of them was a Cougar. There were no factory produced 427 Mustangs on record. There were, I'm sure, many dealer installed ones, but there are no W serial numbers from the factory. Sorry to burst the bubble. But, hopefully, it will also keep someone from getting taken by a con.

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-21-2000 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker     
I appreciate Kevin's post and Dearborn information, but I am still not convinced! They built Mustangs in NJ and California also. I'm banking on Tasca for right now. I'm certain that some test and R&D cars had to be built and sent to prominent FoMoCo dealers and Tuners (ie; Shelby). We'll have to just keep digging. Alex

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mustangs68
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posted 01-22-2000 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68     
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Marti:
----> There were no factory produced 427 Mustangs on record. There were, I'm sure, many dealer installed ones, but there are no W serial numbers from the factory. Sorry to burst the bubble. But, hopefully, it will also keep someone from getting taken by a con.



sam


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posted 01-22-2000 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson     
Sam,
Kevin only mentioned the Dearborn plant and Cougars. No mention of the San Jose plant or N.J. plant. I would lean more toward the San Jose plant for finding anything on the "W" Coded Mustang. Is this a dead issue or just a stumbling block?

Dave & Terri

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mustangs68
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posted 01-22-2000 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68     
Dave,

Kevin using the term "Factory" to cover all Plants..

Serialized mean no 1968 Ford Mustang was given a VIN with "W" as the engine code...So if one exist it must have an engine code of "S" in which the 390 was removed and replaced with the 427...keeping in mind the "drop date" for the W code option of Dec 1967, and none were made, and the start date of Apr 1st 1968 for the 428CJ...

The only other option now is Tasca Built such a Mustang..

sam

TomP
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posted 01-22-2000 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP     
Ahhaa!! the April 1st date for 428CJ's is not the start of production...the sale date.

'Splain me the 2 pairs of heads i have had here, C8AE-J they are CJ heads in every way except the exhaust bolt pattern is 390GT 14bolt...ports are in CJ location though making the ports very close to the upper end exhaust bolt holes.Both pairs had Dec67 casting dates. I believe them to be off the 'Winternationals' CJ cars...but 2 sets in Drag-starved area like this??

What exhaust manifolds fit?
What was the # on 427 Mustang heads?(if they didn't build the cars they sure had the engines ready)

When the 427 'W'code was dropped ,it was almost certainly after at least one prototype had been built,maybe not 'W' coded?

mustangs68
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posted 01-22-2000 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68     
Yes Apr.1st is the "release date" or "sales date"....

all them 427 parts went into Cougars

sam

mustangs68
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posted 01-26-2000 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68     
While looking for another Photo I found this from the 35th Show

sam

[This message has been edited by mustangs68 (edited 01-26-2000).]

TomP
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posted 02-07-2000 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP     
Sam
two things first ...that pic of the Tasca car....is that the car that Randy DeLisio of SuperStang shop restored???? if so that is one of the pair of heads i mentioned in my post above.
other thing is the Cougar GTE heads were not the same they have a different # and 390GT exhaust ports.


jkilroy
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posted 02-09-2000 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy     
Don't know if anyone has already posted this but check out this page
http://www.fomoco.com/eng/68427.htm

Its talks directly to this subject.

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TomP
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posted 02-09-2000 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP     
Yes interesting picture. The exhaust manifolds shown are the Fairlane/Comet ones,the same as 66-67 427's use. The Cougar uses 390 type manifolds...wonder what the Mustang would have used???


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posted 05-22-2000 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JRobnett     
Tom, I am a new member and just saw your post on C8AE-J heads. These are extremely rare. I had Hubert Platt and Randy Payne's 1969 Fairlane Ford Drag Team cas and it had these heads. I am sure they had the 3 finger heads when Ford raced it, and put these heads on it to sell.


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