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Topic: Valley Pan installation?????
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MASTIFF
Gearhead Posts: 120
From: maumee, Ohio 43537
Registered: May 2001
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posted 01-31-2002 03:23 AM
 
I know this is a silly question, but I never installed an intake with a valley pan. I have a 351C-4V and I was wondering if you put gasket sealer on both sides, one side, or no sides of the turkey pan?
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 7251
From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-31-2002 06:06 AM
My opinion, throw it away and get a 4 piece gasket set from fel-pro. I hate those da**ed pan style gaskets.  Sorry, guess I wasnt much help.
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Daniel Jones
Gearhead Posts: 972
From: St. Louis, MO
Registered: Aug 99
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posted 01-31-2002 03:38 PM
The pan protects the oil from splashing on the hot exhaust crossover port.
Use it unless you've blocked off the port or have an intake without a
crossover passage (Holley Strip Dominator, for one). The rubber intake
manifold gasket end seals can be troublesome, especially if the heads
and/or intake have been milled. Many builders toss the rubber seals and
just lay down a bead of RTV but I don't like that as I've seen too many
engines with RTV bits clogging up pushrod holes and oil pick ups. I
prefer to buy or make my own end seals from cork. I peen the block rails
with a punch so the gasket won't squeeze out while it's being torqued down.
BTW, this also works well on valve cover gaskets. Use Permatex 300 (the
black stuf I thinkit's called Permatex Aviaton Form-a-Gasket now) or a
contact cement to hold the gaskets in place. Don't use RTV except in the
corners of the end rails and even there I prefer using the red/brown
(hardeneing) Permatex. If you're using the turkey pan, apply a thin layer
of the black Permatex around the ports of the pan. Allow the Permatex to
get tacky before installing. Using long guide on the 4 center (the
vertical ones) will help guide the manifold into place.Dan Jones
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craigber
Gearhead Posts: 128
From: Vancouver, Canada
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 02-01-2002 02:23 PM
Hi,i've done my intake gaskets so many times using just gaskets, just valley, valley and gaskets, etc. i found blocking the crossover lousy as it took forever for warmup...eventually used Aviation gasket maker (brown stuff) just a thin coat on both sides of valley pan...used rubber end seals and used cut off bolts to help guide pan. go slow in torquing the intake bolts and with Edelbrock intake, keep checking the bolts over the next week or so...hope this helps... ------------------
Craigber
71 Red Rag
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MASTIFF
Gearhead Posts: 120
From: maumee, Ohio 43537
Registered: May 2001
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posted 02-01-2002 06:46 PM
Yep it helps alot. Thanks Dan and craig.
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skips69
Gearhead Posts: 346
From: Catlin, IL USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 02-01-2002 07:08 PM
I used Blue RTV on both sides of the pan. No problems for 2 years and counting.
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drof84
Journeyman Posts: 5
From: gillette
Registered: May 2006
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posted 05-08-2006 02:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by craigber:
Hi,i've done my intake gaskets so many times using just gaskets, just valley, valley and gaskets, etc. i found blocking the crossover lousy as it took forever for warmup...eventually used Aviation gasket maker (brown stuff) just a thin coat on both sides of valley pan...used rubber end seals and used cut off bolts to help guide pan. go slow in torquing the intake bolts and with Edelbrock intake, keep checking the bolts over the next week or so...hope this helps...
i just put a 351w in my truck and i put edelbrock intake and carb on it. I did not put the valley pan on. when i shift gears i have a puff of white smoke coming out of the exhaust the question is could my problem with the white smoke be from not puting the valley pan on
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Scott H
Gearhead Posts: 1480
From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 05-08-2006 06:52 AM
quote:
Originally posted by drof84:
i just put a 351w in my truck and i put edelbrock intake and carb on it. I did not put the valley pan on. when i shift gears i have a puff of white smoke coming out of the exhaust the question is could my problem with the white smoke be from not puting the valley pan on
Cleveland 351's use the valley pan, Windsor 351's do not.
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drof84
Journeyman Posts: 5
From: gillette
Registered: May 2006
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posted 05-08-2006 05:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Scott H:
Cleveland 351's use the valley pan, Windsor 351's do not.
I got the white smoke problem fixed. it was the pcv valve. I also have a different question. I hooked a vac gauge to the intake and found that it runs about 15,16 hg. my elevation is around 5000 ft. The instructions for the gauge says the every 1000 foot above sea level you will drop 1 point on your gauge. so does this reading sound ok to you or do you think that i have some bad rings
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