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Topic: SHAKE RATTLE AND ROLL !
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 8198
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-15-2002 08:12 AM
 
Since being on this site, have seen many posts about painting. "Rattle Cans" have been a topic many times. Hear more bad things than good things. A good percentage of us do not have spray equip and a RC is the solution. I remember one post where a person knocked RC's and then went into this big dialog on painting his engine bay with state of art equip and high dollar paints, etc. Seemed like it was a "tell" about all his equip.For interiors, have been using the RC's with good results. For my personal taste, I think gloss paint on doors, dash, etc is ????. Others may like it-that's OK. The RC cans by Metro have very good color match, look orig, and offer a finish like the vinyl. Besides, lacquer paints are getting harder to buy. Metro does offer it in quarts, though. For engine bays, many like gloss, some like satin, like orig. To spray is probably better if urethanes are desired. Am thinking of painting my 68 engine bay body color-a big departure for me. Will spray, for sure. For semi gloss, I'd go with the Krylon hands down. It gets an even better sheen when getting ready for a show, spray it with Pledge and wipe. AND IT'S CHEAP! For primer, Krylon offers a good primer! For salt belt folks, not sure I'd go this route if I was going to be driving in salt. But many of you guys put your cars up in winter. For undercarriage, I'd spray 'cause I have it. If I didn't Rusto-Oleum offers 7777 semi gloss spray and it's damn good. Eastwood offers a lot of good RC's for different uses. We used their radiator paint on a 66 coupe concours car and it looked brand new! That car just sold last weekend for 17,500! And it's NOT a GT! RC's offer a good medium for small detail work. Eastwood really shines in this area. And, they are a M&M sponsor. So much for my opin. For folks who do not have spray equip.
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richard bohm
Gearhead Posts: 373
From: tucson,az-luray,va
Registered: May 2001
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posted 03-15-2002 10:06 AM
i have to agree with mellowyellow here. a friend of mine likes to paint his cars with in rattle can white. his car are proof that you can get good results when you pay attention to details rather than the equipment. granted krylon doesnt last as long as say PPG paints, but that is due to paint quality not equipment.
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-15-2002 12:55 PM
Pete,I have been using the RC paint shop for years.
Yes good prep work is always the key to good paint.
I have always liked Krylon paints.
My interior is all done in Semi gloss Black Krylon paint.
I also like VHT paint for high heat,or their interior dye's are real good too.It just so happens that the Krylon semi gloss black,is a prefect match to my black PPG primer selaer I used to paint the car.So chips are fixxed real easy.  Engine bays I like then all Semi Gloss black.But body color always looks cool too.
I'm going to paint the engine bay the under side all semi gloss black Krylon.And use VHT Semi gloss black high heat paint on block and acc. SCOOP
Well known rattle canner. 
I striped my 70 challenger with Krylon Gloss black,it held up for years.
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 03-15-2002 01:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mellowyellow:
We used their radiator paint on a 66 coupe concours car and it looked brand new! That car just sold last weekend for 17,500! And it's NOT a GT!
Who is "we"? I agree with everything said about the RC cans, especially the Eastwood stuff.
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 48752
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-15-2002 06:56 PM
I agree with you, too, Pete. If you are painting small parts or areas, it's a pain to set up spraying equipment. Even my touch up gun is a pain, with the mixing and clean up afterwards. Just like you said, the only time it makes a big difference in on large panels where the fanspray shows up. It also takes a bit of practice to get consistant texture with rattle cans, but lately I've gotten over the expectation of the first few coats being perfect and I let the areas I don't like dry, scuff them up a little and respray and it blends in perfect. ------------------
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Ken
Gearhead Posts: 4964
From: Prospect, Ct. M&M Member No. 31 MCA Member 49299
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 03-15-2002 08:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mellowyellow:
Eastwood offers a lot of good RC's for different uses. RC's offer a good medium for small detail work. Eastwood really shines in this area. And, they are a M&M sponsor. So much for my opin.
I love those rattle-cans  !!! I used Eastwoods "Underhood Black", "Diamond Clear" and their epoxy based "Chassis Black" when I refinished my engine compartment (see pic in photo page) and I was EXTREMELY PLEASED with the results !!!
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 03-16-2002 08:59 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mellowyellow:
For undercarriage, I'd spray 'cause I have it. If I didn't Rusto-Oleum offers 7777 semi gloss spray and it's damn good.
I became a big fan of POR-15 when I used it on my pick-up's frame. Worked awesome and has held up well. I'm going to give ZeroRust a try though, they seem to offer a similar product in RC form, which I'd use to do the mustang's undercarriage. They seem to recommend two coats for proper coverage and dries to satin finish, so I'm thinking of their red oxide and black colors. In the heart of the undercarriage, I'd paint the black first and then recoat with red oxide (color contrast helps ensure coverage with second coat), and in the other areas like up front around the engine bay/inner fender areas I'd paint red oxide first then cover with the black. I had painted the entire front end of my car (stripped to the unibody at the time) with Rustoleum RC primer and satin black, and after 8 years there is absolutely no rust on any area I covered like that, although that may be more because I take care of my car than a tribute to the paint qualities. The things I don't like is the Rustoleum has the enamel-like qualities of chipping off, especially on the fan and the inner fenders parrallel with the fan where any road debris gets flung while driving, although I must add that the primer hasn't chipped at all, just the black topcoat. Also, I have a difficult time keeping it clean, it seems to hold dirt more than a gloss or semi-gloss finish would, although that was more likely caused by me not sanding the primer before topcoating because rustoleum red oxide primer has a very rough finish.
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 8198
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-16-2002 11:04 AM
Sig: "WE" a literal term, I guess. I was assisting in the final prep before resale on that 66 cpe. We even used their radiator paint on the fan pulley. Enamel goes on thicker and is more prone to chipping. One thing about 1613 Krylon, it goes on thin and doesn't cause build up. It can be easily touched up, also. I have Krylon on the 68 fan but think it should be shinier. Doesn't matter, 'cause it getting a 92 clutch fan LOL!
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stang106
Gearhead Posts: 786
From: God's Country!... Port Alberni B.C. Canada
Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 03-16-2002 04:27 PM
What is a good colour match for Ford blue engines?
Dave
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 8198
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-16-2002 04:43 PM
THere a number of dead on matches
I use Plasti Kote # 224 Ford Blue. Some others will be posted.
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70 Pony
Gearhead Posts: 2366
From: West Chester, PA, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 03-16-2002 06:38 PM
I'm with you 100% Mellow...I've got at least 200 pounds of "Rattle Can Paint" on the Pony...
I'd rate them...#1 Krylon....#2 Plasticoat, (for different applications of course.
Also found that BarBQ paint is great for headers...dries to a nice flat grey black finish, and does not peel...
Learned this after using Eastwoods brush on header coating...followed all curing instructions and even had the headers media blasted B4 putting it on....It was the only Eastwood product I had a problem with...I can tell you honestly it peeled in one day !!!!
And Eastwood is 6 miles from my house !!!!
By the way Krylon's semi gloss black, (I think) is the best for engine compartment.
Just my 2 cents.....------------------
EDDIE D
Resto Mod '70 Sport Roof
Arrest Me Red
'02 GT, Torch Red
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 06-16-2006 12:52 PM
I've been shopping for Krylon paint and, ahem, Walmart doesn't carry semi-gloss black, only semi-flat. Is it the same? Seems like semi-gloss would be a little bit more glossy than semi-flat. Maybe its just semantics. Only reason I ask is right beside the semi-flat black was semi-gloss white.Is the Krylon code I'm looking for 1613? This is for firewall/inner fenders and misc brackets, etc. Do you guys use different shades/finishes for the brackets than the innner fenders at all?
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68 Coop
Gearhead Posts: 5847
From: Mesquite, NV. 89027
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 06-16-2006 01:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 70 Pony:
Also found that BarBQ paint is great for headers...dries to a nice flat grey black finish, and does not peel...
Learned this after using Eastwoods brush on header coating...followed all curing instructions and even had the headers media blasted B4 putting it on....It was the only Eastwood product I had a problem with...I can tell you honestly it peeled in one day !!!!
That's good to hear, after I ordered the kit.
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 06-16-2006 06:10 PM
I used Krylon rattle can PRIMER on my '69 and always use rc semi-flat (semi-gloss) in the engine compartment AND the inside of the hood.....I use rc "spackle" paint on the inside of the trunk and have always used BBQ grille paint on the headers (spray into a cup and use a brush so not to get onto the plug wires)------------------
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 8198
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 06-16-2006 06:42 PM
Black parts can have different degrees of gloss. I like pulleys, horns, alternator arm, coil, with more gloss. Some of those parts were dipped. I like cast finish on the coil bracket, a shinier black on the hood latch plate. Last MCA show I went to was in Pcola and observed different levels of glosee. One car in particular was a black-black-black 68 Cv with gold C stripes. It was the nicest I ever saw. It had different levels of gloss. My bought back 68 is not original anyway so am using different RC's... still 1613 in engine cmpt. aprons, firewall. Sometime back, think that Perkins touched on this in MMonthly resto column. Jeez! How far back to these threads go???
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 06-17-2006 10:26 AM
Pete, what do you do to get varying degrees of gloss with RC? I have a compressor and spray gun, but the rate at which I blast and paint parts, its not very economical to mix up some paint, with which I could easily start with gloss and add a flatening agent, but to do that to paint a couple brackets would leave a lot of paint left in the can going to waste. I got the Krylon 1601 black gloss and 1613 semi-flat. Does Krylon make a semi-gloss that is slightly more glossy, or is semi-gloss the same as semi-flat?
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 06-17-2006 10:52 AM
I painted an entire car with spray cans once.
1956 chebbie in black hot rod primer.
Looked fine.  ------------------
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68 Coop
Gearhead Posts: 5847
From: Mesquite, NV. 89027
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 06-17-2006 10:56 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
I painted an entire car with spray cans once.
1956 chebbie in black hot rod primer.
Looked fine.
When we were kids, my Uncle bought us a 56 that had been brush painted gloss black. Talk about your 20 footer  .------------------
William
The easiest way to find something lost, is to buy a replacement. 68 Coupe
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68F100
Gearhead Posts: 2835
From: Burlington, Iowa
Registered: Oct 99
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posted 06-17-2006 11:43 AM
I have an uncle who painted his entire truck with a brush and pink house paint. I think he was smoking something funny.
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68 Coop
Gearhead Posts: 5847
From: Mesquite, NV. 89027
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 06-17-2006 04:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 68F100:
I have an uncle who painted his entire truck with a brush and pink house paint. I think he was smoking something funny.
No offence, but if your Uncle painted his truck PINK, he was strange without the help of smoke. If you smoke buds, you ONLY think everything is funny, it don't make YOU that way.
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 8198
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 06-17-2006 06:29 PM
Using flattner can be a PITA but plan ahead so you can do a bunch. Not too familiar with the Eastwood stuff. Sems has some interesting shades. See if you can get some RC charts. A gloss that's good is Rustoleum appliance epoxy gloss-get it at Home Depot. That finish dries hard as a rock and it great on pulleys. Give it a couple days. Even did the car horns-even the rare AC special horn. Only rare if you don't have AC. For a small part, try a well equipped hobby shop. They have a lot of shades
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 06-17-2006 09:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mellowyellow:
Even did the car horns-even the rare AC special horn. Only rare if you don't have AC.
Say that one again? I'm doing an ac conversion, have heard about ac horns, but no specifics.
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 8198
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 06-17-2006 11:03 PM
The mounting on the end is designed to fit over the end of the condenser. The bolt holding the horn also anchors that end of the condensor.
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