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Topic: engine rebuild
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rmousir
Gearhead Posts: 1124
From: Amelia, Ohio
Registered: May 2003
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posted 08-10-2005 07:37 PM
 
Hey everyone,I had a friend ask me what a engine rebuild would cost. I have never done one and I know my car is in need. I am thinking about buying a motor and rebuilding while the one I have stays in the car. If anyone has any idea on what a average build will cost keeping the parts mild. I want a peppy daily driver/sunday cruser. I was also thinking about taking the car to a engine builder and have someone do the work. Again, not sure what the cost would be or if that would be an advantage. The third option was buying a create motor. i checked out auto zone and I am looking at about a grand or so. I assume that there motor is plane jane and maybe not the best built. I don't have the cash at the moment but should be able to do the project over the winter. Any thoughts or ideas? Thanks very much. Richard. PS. If anyone is in my area and would like I side job let me know???? ------------------
rmousir
'66 Mustang
Ford Blue & white stripes
302 auto
Mustang ~ 04-05
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 08-10-2005 07:53 PM
Try this link. It was put together by Moneymaker.http://mustangsandmore.com/ubb/BudgetSmallBlock.html
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mustangs68
Moderator Posts: 27681
From: Hampton Va MCA#39406 M&M #12 Member Mustang Club of Tidewater
Registered: May 99
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posted 08-10-2005 10:04 PM
We replaced the engine in the sons 67 with a K code spec (except Hyd lifters) from Auto Zone,been a good replacment engine for a resonable price.My rebuild parts,machine work and labor was just under 6K on my 289.I know that a bunch but I waited 3 years to have this Motorsports shop do the work.Only thing orginal is the block  Sam
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Scott H
Gearhead Posts: 1480
From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 08-10-2005 11:07 PM
I would guess at prices around:
$1500 to do it yourself
$3000 for a machine shop to do it
$6000 for a turn-key crate motorrough estimates, but it gives you a range for an idea of pricing. I say go for it and buidl it yourself. You have the skill, you just need to put it into practice. It will be fun, frustrating, a good learning experience, and SO worth it when you can tell the other guys 'I built it myself"
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mustangboy
Gearhead Posts: 1343
From: Ont, Canada
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 08-10-2005 11:24 PM
I just payed $1700 Canadian to rebuild my 289.I tore the engine down to the bare block and took in all the peices to the machine shop.He bored it .030 over and installed the pistons and crank in the block.I assembled everything else myself.One thing that can add alot to the price is the condition of your heads. Somtimes you can reuse the old valves but if you need new ones or want hardened seats installed etc it will add up in a hurry.------------------
1968 mustang j-code sprint.13.69@101 306cu.in, stock ported heads,weiand exellerator,650 holley DP,hedman hedders,comp 292 Magnum cam,4-speed,8 inch 4.11 detroit locker...................................................................1966 mustang coupe project.289 4 speed,3.20 rear http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/MembersPics/mustangboy.html
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Mike W
Gearhead Posts: 135
From: CA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 08-11-2005 04:40 AM
I used to be able to buy a rebuilt short block for around $250, but that was a few years ago. I bought a rebuilt long block 302 5 years ago for $750. This was a late 80's that I put in a 71 Bronco.I then had to change the flywheel and dampener because of the different balance weights. Also the block didn't have the threaded hole for the clutch Z-bar. I had to fabricate a bracket that bolted on the bell housing. Then I found the water pump intake on the wrong side problem. I finally fixed that by making a custom hose to get to the radiator.
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 8198
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 08-11-2005 06:31 AM
Then I found the water pump intake on the wrong side problem. I finally fixed that by making a custom hose to get to the radiator. [/B][/QUOTE]
'89 5.0 in a 65, was able to use the original early timing cover and period correct alum. waterpump. Used repop lettered 65 hoses to an original appearing radiator. Went together just like it was a 65 289.
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rmousir
Gearhead Posts: 1124
From: Amelia, Ohio
Registered: May 2003
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posted 08-11-2005 11:37 AM
thanks for the input everyone.I have an idea on how to get started. Question, I have looked at going fuel injected for a while now and this may be the right opportunity. I have found three high mile cars (not caprice but a crown vic? I think) that are loaded for less than $1500. Would they make good doner cars? Auto od tranny, 5.0 fuel injection, rear disc (maybe) power windows, cruse. If I went that way I would try to do as much as possible by taking from the doner. Thoughts? Richard. [This message has been edited by rmousir (edited 08-11-2005).]
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lonewolf
Gearhead Posts: 419
From: Colorado; M&M #3117
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 08-11-2005 11:59 AM
Maybe not a bad donor if you are after more than just the EFI. Along the lines of EFI, does anyone have any experience with Mass Flo? It looks good on paper. http://www.massfloefi.com/ Cheers, Rick
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 8777
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 08-11-2005 12:38 PM
how bout this with your heads etc??
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=4520&prmenbr=361------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-302-7.25 @93mph 1/8
1.54 60ft 50 % of the fun dragracing is meeting people who will give you the shirt off their back to wipe the grease off your hands.
M&M member #839 http://perfectrun.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/images/smiles/icon_5usaribbon.gif
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mustangboy
Gearhead Posts: 1343
From: Ont, Canada
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 08-11-2005 12:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rmousir:
thanks for the input everyone.I have an idea on how to get started. Question, I have looked at going fuel injected for a while now and this may be the right opportunity. I have found three high mile cars (caprice's I think) that are loaded for less than $1500. Would they make good doner cars? Auto od tranny, 5.0 fuel injection, rear disc (maybe) power windows, cruse. If I went that way I would try to do as much as possible by taking from the doner. Thoughts? Richard.
You must be thinking of a granada or lincoln.A caprice is a chevy  ------------------
1968 mustang j-code sprint.13.69@101 306cu.in, stock ported heads,weiand exellerator,650 holley DP,hedman hedders,comp 292 Magnum cam,4-speed,8 inch 4.11 detroit locker...................................................................1966 mustang coupe project.289 4 speed,3.20 rear http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/MembersPics/mustangboy.html
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 8777
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 08-11-2005 12:41 PM
or of you lived closer to here, i could get you a new rebuilt shortblock for about 1/2 that price.------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-302-7.25 @93mph 1/8
1.54 60ft 50 % of the fun dragracing is meeting people who will give you the shirt off their back to wipe the grease off your hands.
M&M member #839 http://perfectrun.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/images/smiles/icon_5usaribbon.gif
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capri man
Gearhead Posts: 8777
From: doerun, ga.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 08-11-2005 12:43 PM
maybe a marquis!! ------------------
mike r
racing is real
everything else is just a game.
81 capri-302-7.25 @93mph 1/8
1.54 60ft 50 % of the fun dragracing is meeting people who will give you the shirt off their back to wipe the grease off your hands.
M&M member #839 http://perfectrun.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/images/smiles/icon_5usaribbon.gif
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rmousir
Gearhead Posts: 1124
From: Amelia, Ohio
Registered: May 2003
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posted 08-11-2005 12:50 PM
I just realized that i ment the ford police type car. There are two of them that I could pick up. LOL. Sorry about that.If there is a rebuild necessary I could pick up the donor car and rebuild that motor then swap it over. Just a thought. I want to enjoy driving the car and I think the EFI cars that I have seen look great. Anyone got a motor and tranny sitting around they want to get rid of cheap? Like i said before I am brainstorming out loud. The mustang is not my daily car now and only comes out once in a while. I would like to to be most every day in the summer. EFI would be a good match for that. Richard.
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rmousir
Gearhead Posts: 1124
From: Amelia, Ohio
Registered: May 2003
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posted 08-11-2005 07:53 PM
mustangs68,Can you provide any details on the motor you got from Auto Zone? Cost, Core cost, Quality, Horse Power, etc. I am going to see what that costs. I am also going to buy a book tomorrow Any book I should look at getting? For a 302 with steps that a dummy like me can follow? I am also going to check out my summit catalog. Just not sure which way is the best way to go. I whish I had a bunch of money so I live the dream. LOL. Thanks. Richard.
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A66auto
Journeyman Posts: 41
From: Sacramento,CA
Registered: Apr 2005
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posted 08-11-2005 08:47 PM
My two cents:
If you want a basic motor you could get the AutoZone motor. I have no idea of the quality you would get; I don't even use AutoZone parts let alone a use one of their engines. When it came time for a rebuild for me it cost me about $1600 for machine work and assembly for a 302 and with me taking the shop the parts. From my experience, it is better to do it right the first time and pay a little more instead of saving money and hope to get by with the cheapy stuff. Alex
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mustangs68
Moderator Posts: 27681
From: Hampton Va MCA#39406 M&M #12 Member Mustang Club of Tidewater
Registered: May 99
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posted 08-11-2005 09:42 PM
Its been over 5 years ago so my info is old and almost forgotten.He ordered a 289 with K code specs but HYD lifter.The engine still Kickin' and doing well in fact it has killed two C4's so far,LOL.
I think it come from Jasper not 100% sure.Quality is good,the son gives it a beating,not many Shade-tree mechanics could build a better one for sure. Auto Zone uses many of the same parts suppliers as other parts store,the name on the box is just different sam
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3835
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 08-11-2005 10:02 PM
Try the M&M Bookstore Review Forum!  http://www.mustangsandmore.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=M|AMP|M+Bookstore+Review&number=19&DaysPrune=1000&LastLogin=
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Ed S.
68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC Bla-Bla-Bla
99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55 [This message has been edited by 68 S-code GT (edited 08-11-2005).]
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Scott H
Gearhead Posts: 1480
From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 08-11-2005 10:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
He ordered a 289 with K code specs but HYD lifter. sam
Sam,
Do you remember what specs were done so that it would be like a Kcode? Just curious. The only significant part I could think of would be the cam, but you said its hydraulic.
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mustangs68
Moderator Posts: 27681
From: Hampton Va MCA#39406 M&M #12 Member Mustang Club of Tidewater
Registered: May 99
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posted 08-12-2005 10:14 AM
Scoot, CRS has set in.But I belive it was the cam,compression and something else.
Quick call to an AutoZone may answer the question
Sam
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rmousir
Gearhead Posts: 1124
From: Amelia, Ohio
Registered: May 2003
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posted 08-17-2005 12:40 AM
Hey everyone, another question. Will a 302 & auto from any ford vehicle fit in my '66? Meaning could I use a explorer, crown vic, mustang anything with a 302 and auto tranny? I am playing with the idea of getting a running/wrecked car and swapping everything out. Just playing with the idea right now. Thanks.
Richard.
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BornInAFord
Gearhead Posts: 610
From: Bend, OR, USA
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 08-17-2005 11:59 PM
Richard,
Have you considered an Explorer 5.0L (which is what many 5.0L crate engines are based off of)? I got a complete running low mileage one off of Ebay for under $700, shipped. After selling the GT40 heads (because I had already bought ported Edelbrock aluminum ones with Cobra 1.7 roller rockers) and the intake (because I went carbureted), I ended up paying only about $250 for a roller short block in nearly new shape.I reused my old timing cover, HiPo exhaust manifolds, used a cam out of a 1990GT (you can run a used roller cam), got a new true roller timing chain, windage tray and water pump. I painted everything Dark Ford Blue, re-used my old valve covers (with double gasket to clear the rockers) and the stock pulleys. I ended up with a stealth engine that looks "stock", but puts out way more horses more efficiently. If you look around for parts and put it together yourself, you can build it for well under $1000. Mine with aluminum heads and intake cost somewhat more.
Good luck with what ever you decide.
Daniel
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rmousir
Gearhead Posts: 1124
From: Amelia, Ohio
Registered: May 2003
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posted 08-18-2005 06:32 PM
Thanks a lot for the tip. If I got with somthing like that will the auto overdrive transmission fit in my car with out major mods?Richard.
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3835
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 08-18-2005 06:45 PM
http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/DanJonesC4AODswap.html Its for a 71 but it will give you some ideas. I think there are a few cars on here with the AOD trans. in them. ------------------
Ed S. 68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC Bla-Bla-Bla
99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55
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Mike W
Gearhead Posts: 135
From: CA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 08-19-2005 03:15 AM
Later model 302's don't have the threaded hole in the block for the clutch linkage ball. I don't know what year this changed. I got around this twice by making a bracket that used the bell housing bolts.
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rmousir
Gearhead Posts: 1124
From: Amelia, Ohio
Registered: May 2003
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posted 08-19-2005 10:06 AM
I don't think I will have to worry about a clutch linkage if I am going auto would I?Richard.
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