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Topic: NEED brake pedal hanger HELP?
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Topless68
Journeyman Posts: 18
From: Virginia
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 08-10-2005 07:44 PM
 
I have a 68' convertible and am trying to convert to power brakes. I cannot find a brake pedal hanger for a 68' mustang with power brakes and auto tranny. I know they sell repro units for a 68' with auto tranny but without power brakes. What is the differnce in the two supports.Thanks,
Rick
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 08-10-2005 08:32 PM
There is no difference, the only difference is in the pedal itself.
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Topless68
Journeyman Posts: 18
From: Virginia
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 08-10-2005 09:01 PM
If there is no difference then why does it list as a support for AT w/o PB?
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 4511
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 08-10-2005 09:08 PM
I've asked myself the same question. A while back someone told me there is an extra hole or something in the support for PB, and that the non-PB support can be drilled to make it work. Something like that.
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Topless68
Journeyman Posts: 18
From: Virginia
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 08-10-2005 09:19 PM
Does anyone know for sure because I am planning to buy the repro made for non-PB and I want to make sure it will work and If modification is needed then what mod.
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 4511
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 08-10-2005 09:22 PM
Mellowyellow "Pete" is a gold mine of info on exactly this kind of thing. Either wait for him to pass by, or go rattle his cage 
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3835
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 08-10-2005 09:51 PM
This is a manual brake pedal and it is the same for an auto or manual trans! If you look at the first picture you will see the small hole to the left of the tag. This is where the bolt that is used to support the power brake pedal goes through the support. All 67 & 68 supports I have seen have these holes. In the second picture you will see the threaded inserts that are used to bolt the manual master cylinder through the firewall and to the support. If you grind the ones off that are where the power booster mounting studs are you will have a support for power brakes. You will also see the three holes for the clutch pedal spring retainer. 
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Ed S. 68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC Bla-Bla-Bla
99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3835
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 08-10-2005 09:56 PM
Its kind of hard to see the hole for the power brake pedal so I’ll have to dig a support out and get a better shot unless I can find one here in my computer. I don’t think I can get a picture of the power brake support being that its installed but I’ll see what I can do with getting a shot as its tight under the dash (I need glasses).------------------
Ed S. 68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC Bla-Bla-Bla
99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55
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Scott H
Gearhead Posts: 1480
From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 08-10-2005 11:11 PM
The power brake pedal mounts up higher in the support to provide different leverage than the std brake pedal. The pedal is longer. The support can be easily modified to work.
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3835
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 08-11-2005 07:52 PM
I’m trying to say that the holes are all there and all you have to do is knock out those inserts to let the booster studs through! 
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3835
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 08-11-2005 09:39 PM
This is a manual brake pedal support and I circled the hole that is utilized by the power brake pedal.These pictures below are from my 68 coupe that has the factory power brake support! It has the Midland type booster but should be the same as the Bendix. 
This arrow points to the lower nut on the left side of the support under the dash that is fastened to the booster stud. The upper mounting point is the same on power and non-power brake supports. 
These arrows point to the two nuts on the right side of the support under the dash that is fastened to the booster studs. 
Here the arrow points to a bolt that goes through the mounting plate on the booster and screws into that upper left point that I said was the same on either support. Just grind or drill out the three points that I show on the two under dash pictures so the booster studs will fit through and your ready to go! I know that that bolt in the vacuum hose is ugly but I have other things I’m trying to change or fix first. Besides its been there for the last five years since I bought the car and it doesn’t leak.  ------------------
Ed S. 68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC Bla-Bla-Bla
99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55 [This message has been edited by 68 S-code GT (edited 08-11-2005).]
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 8198
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 08-12-2005 01:01 AM
Where Ed drew the red circle is where I made the hole in putting power drum brakes in a 68 cv. I had to scrounge for the right pedal as it was over 10 years ago and the pedal hadn't been repo'd yet. Sure did help the drum brakes. I swear, those brakes stopped as well as discs.
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Topless68
Journeyman Posts: 18
From: Virginia
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted 08-12-2005 11:05 PM
Ed and/or Mellowyellow, Is the midland booster a brand name or style of booster and is this the OE for a 68' stang w/ PB's?
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 8198
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 08-12-2005 11:16 PM
Midland Ross is full name, I believe. Must be a company. Some 68's had Bendix, I guess, but never saw one. I'm getting another 68 cv, a different one that I used to own. This one, too, has power discs with the Midland.
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 4511
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 08-13-2005 02:26 AM
My research strongly suggests that even though there is literature covering Bendixes in 68 Stangs, none were ever fitted except as service replacement parts. Could be wrong though.
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