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Topic: 1967 Twister Special Help/Info wanted.....
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Dave Gibson Moderator Posts: 10769 From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921 Registered: Aug 99
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posted 12-31-2005 11:58 AM
While looking into some Special Paint Codes for Sam, I came across some rather interesting information concerning 1967 Mustang Twister Specials. I have heard about and looked at a 1970 Twister Special, but never heard a word about a Twister Special in 1967. Here is what I was able to find so far.The 1967 Twister Special was offered in Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas. These Specials were offered in either Cajun Red or Lavender exterior paint and would more than likely have a six digit DSO code starting with 64 for New Orleans. The six digit DSO code, on the data plate, is almost always a good indication of a non-coded exterior color paint. Any one out there in M&M have any other information on these 1967 Mustangs??? Thanks! Dave & Terri ------------------ '65 Mustang Fastback '66 Mustang Coupe '02 Explorer XLT Common sense isn't common anymore.
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kstwist887 Journeyman Posts: 11 From: Topeka, KS Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-01-2006 08:22 AM
Dave,This Terry Fritts from the Twister Special Registry. To my knowledge, after 35 years of research, 1970 and 1985 were the only production years for the Twister Specials. When I get a chance, I will check with my Ford source who worked in Sepecial Promotions department. My new Twister Web Site is www.twisterspecialregistry.com if you wish to check out the facts on the Twister's. Terry
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Dave Gibson Moderator Posts: 10769 From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921 Registered: Aug 99
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posted 01-01-2006 09:33 AM
Terry, Thanks for the response and link to your great web site. Welcome to Mustangsandmore.com! Check out all the Forums and have some fun.  I brought this Topic up since I came across some special paint codes while researching about the "Special Paint of Month" Promotion Ford ran in early 1968. While looking at the 1967 Paint Codes, I found the Cajun Red and Lavender were ear marked for Twister Specials. Wow. Where did these come from. Never heard a word about them. So now I'm looking into it. I would add a scan of the paint codes, but I'm at work today. Maybe Sam can add it to this thread since I sent him the same info. I look forward to hearing what your Ford Source may have to offer on this topic. Thanks again. Dave & Terri ------------------ '65 Mustang Fastback '66 Mustang Coupe '02 Explorer XLT Common sense isn't common anymore.
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kstwist887 Journeyman Posts: 11 From: Topeka, KS Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-01-2006 10:47 AM
Thanks Dave. I just put the site up last month after years of wanting to do so. Thought it would be a great hooby for the winter months in my retirement. I just have to complete the VIN Checker, but I'm not HTML savy enough to do it. I was a large mainframe programmer for the Santa Fe Railroad, but COBOL is my main forte.Terry
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mustangs68 Moderator Posts: 27681 From: Hampton Va MCA#39406 M&M #12 Member Mustang Club of Tidewater Registered: May 99
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posted 01-01-2006 11:07 AM
Terry Welcome to M&M. Haven't had a chance to check out your site but I will. I will add an link also to your site as I'm updating mine now,,LOL,,thanks to Dave  (I made this an HTML page because of file size and width..) Sam http://www.geocities.com/mustangs68.geo/67_Paint_Codes.html [This message has been edited by mustangs68 (edited 01-01-2006).]
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Dave Gibson Moderator Posts: 10769 From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921 Registered: Aug 99
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posted 01-01-2006 11:17 AM
Sam, Thanks for posting a link to the 1967 Paint Codes Listing.  Terry, Pull up the Paint Codes, using the link in Sam's Post, and take a look at the Cajun Red and Lavender. Both of these paints have a (T) after them. Then look at the list of Keys to Promotional Colors. The (T) is for Twister Specials. This is what got me to question/ask others for more information. Does it mean that Ford did them. It's possible or was it something Ford was going to do and didn't??? It has my curiousity up to say the least. Dave & Terri ------------------ '65 Mustang Fastback '66 Mustang Coupe '02 Explorer XLT Common sense isn't common anymore. [This message has been edited by Dave Gibson (edited 01-01-2006).]
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mustangs68 Moderator Posts: 27681 From: Hampton Va MCA#39406 M&M #12 Member Mustang Club of Tidewater Registered: May 99
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posted 01-01-2006 11:47 AM
Your most welcome my Friend  sam
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Jimmy Ray Gearhead Posts: 274 From: Ozark MO Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 01-01-2006 02:22 PM
I have been contacted by a person named Carl about a 70 428 Twister Mustang, (816) 835-0522 they have for sale, I have been playing phone tag for while, and hope to finally contact him so I ask about VIN sale price, images and where the vehicle is located at.I visited Terry's web site and it is very informative....
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Dave Gibson Moderator Posts: 10769 From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921 Registered: Aug 99
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posted 01-01-2006 02:47 PM
Hey Jimmy Ray! Good to see you posting again. I'm getting close to finding a real job, also. Just hitting the 19 year mark this month. I will be done in November. I do have some pictures of a '70 Twister Special that was in Pensacola for a MCA Show. I also have some info at the house with a starting and ending Vin #s in it, if you would like me to e-mail them to you. You will have to wait until tomorrow though. I'm at work today.  Dave & Terri ------------------ '65 Mustang Fastback '66 Mustang Coupe '02 Explorer XLT Common sense isn't common anymore.
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kstwist887 Journeyman Posts: 11 From: Topeka, KS Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-01-2006 08:12 PM
The last I knew, Carl was asking $95K for the Twister. I used to compete against this car several years ago. Was restored in 1985 according to my registry entry. Last I saw of it, it needed a complete engine bay and undercarriage detail job. Thus far in 2005 the high dolar mark for a 428SCJ Twister automatic in a very strong #2 condition to a low #1 condition was $70K, cash purchase.Terry
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kstwist887 Journeyman Posts: 11 From: Topeka, KS Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-01-2006 08:20 PM
Sam & Dave.Yep, the paint chart shows Twister Special alright. I'll ask my Ford source later this month about it. Will send him the link to check out. I promised to leave him alone until after the first of the year. He's retired from Ford now and I just relocated him back in October. Am currently working with him on the ARI Pace car Mach 1's. I have the VIN's for them and copies of 4 of the 5 cars. Am awaiting a search to see if I can locate any of them before posting to my web site. Terry
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Dave Gibson Moderator Posts: 10769 From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921 Registered: Aug 99
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posted 01-02-2006 02:40 AM
Terri, I may have some infor on the ARI Pace cars. I will have to dig in the books at the house, but I do know that it is there.  Dave & Terri
------------------ '65 Mustang Fastback '66 Mustang Coupe '02 Explorer XLT Common sense isn't common anymore.
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kstwist887 Journeyman Posts: 11 From: Topeka, KS Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-02-2006 04:17 AM
Thanks Dave,I'll await your search. Terry
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Dave Gibson Moderator Posts: 10769 From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921 Registered: Aug 99
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posted 01-02-2006 09:33 AM
Terry, You may already have this info on the ARI Pace Cars, but I will post it any how.The following is from Mustang Production Guide, Volume 2, by Jim Smart and Jim Haskell: 1970 Pace Cars QUite a few of thses former American Raceways, Inc. high performance Mustangs have surfaced throughout 14 years of research. Two Michigan International Speedway 1970 Mustang Pace Cars have surfaced in Detroit. Yet another surfaced in Atlanta. Still two more have surfaced in Texas. (Sounds like you already know about these five Terry) The 1970 Mustang pace cars were casualties from the American Raceways deal with Ford that went sour at that time. This failure eventually led to the 1970 Twister Specials. Sounds like you already know all about this Terry. Especially after reading all the info on the Twister Specials, from you, in this book.  Dave & Terri ------------------ '65 Mustang Fastback '66 Mustang Coupe '02 Explorer XLT Common sense isn't common anymore.
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kstwist887 Journeyman Posts: 11 From: Topeka, KS Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-02-2006 02:53 PM
Dave,Thanks, I had prviously accounted for all 5 of the ARI convertible pace cars. Have had their invoice copies from Lois Eminger for years. It's just in the last 2 weeks with the help of Kevin Marti that we discovered the 5 Mach 1 VIN's and the 4 invoice copies. I understand that 2 of the convertibles are in Europe, one in Florida, one in Michigan and one very rough one in California. There have been some Mach 1 replica pace cars show up in Michigan and Texas. According my Ford source, they were built strictly as promotional cars with most having 351 Cleveland engines. The search for the real Mach 1 pace cars continues. If anyone has or knows of pictures of the 5 pace car convertibles similar to the Mach1 's on my web site I would love to hear from them. Terry
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jasonn Journeyman Posts: 46 From: By Rochester MN Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 01-03-2006 11:35 AM
Some pretty cool info!!http://www.limited600mustang.com/specials.html
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kstwist887 Journeyman Posts: 11 From: Topeka, KS Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-03-2006 02:28 PM
Jasonn,Yes, I have seen that site before and the info on the ARI's and Twister Specials is totally wrong. My Ford source who was in charge of both the ARI's and Twister's has seen two of these type articles and flatly stated that there were only 10 ARI pace cars produced. 5 Mach 1's and 5 convertibles and that the Twister's were not made from any "left over" ARI's. I have contacted these sites to correct their info to no avail. Guess they must think they are more correct than the man who made them and the person how has researched them for 25 years. Terry [This message has been edited by kstwist887 (edited 01-03-2006).]
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senzstang Gearhead Posts: 530 From: perry, oh, usa Registered: May 2002
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posted 01-03-2006 02:32 PM
Thanks for such a great and interesting post! Although I have nothing to add to the subject, I have really enjoyed reading it and visiting the websites!  Phil
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Dave Gibson Moderator Posts: 10769 From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921 Registered: Aug 99
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posted 01-03-2006 02:34 PM
Jason, Thanks for the link. Your right. It is a good sight. Lots of good information in there. Some that is missing and some that is new to me. I'm sure that Sam will want to check the site out to compare with the info that he has compiled on 1968 Specials.Dave & Terri ------------------ '65 Mustang Fastback '66 Mustang Coupe '02 Explorer XLT Common sense isn't common anymore.
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kstwist887 Journeyman Posts: 11 From: Topeka, KS Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-03-2006 09:36 PM
Have gotten email back from my Ford source. He says no use of Twister name until the Kansas City project in late 1969. Could have been one that was thought of with all the specials done that year, but not ever actually produced.Terry
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Dave Gibson Moderator Posts: 10769 From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921 Registered: Aug 99
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posted 01-04-2006 04:25 PM
Terry, Thank you for your help and assistance. I'm starting to wonder if this was just a DSO type special where stickers or "Twister" placards were added at a dealership??? Hard telling with all the crazy things that Ford did in those days. It was worth checking into. Haven't found anything else, yet. But I'm still checking.Dave & Terri ------------------ '65 Mustang Fastback '66 Mustang Coupe '02 Explorer XLT Common sense isn't common anymore.
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Dave Gibson Moderator Posts: 10769 From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921 Registered: Aug 99
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posted 01-04-2006 05:21 PM
Terry, I stumbled on this web site while playing on google. Don't know if you have checked this one out or not, but it does have some pictures and info on some of the ARI Pace Cars.Never mind. The link is wrong. Now I have to go back and find it.  Dave & Terri ------------------ '65 Mustang Fastback '66 Mustang Coupe '02 Explorer XLT Common sense isn't common anymore. [This message has been edited by Dave Gibson (edited 01-04-2006).]
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kstwist887 Journeyman Posts: 11 From: Topeka, KS Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-04-2006 10:09 PM
Dave,The Twister’s were a Kansas City District Special, DSO 53, but all cars were specially produced as strictly muscle cars. All 428 SCJ cars were drag pack, Detroit lockers with 391 gears in the automatics and 430 gears in the 4 speeds. The 351C 4V cars were very early versions with 11.7:1 compression ratio and anti-pump-up lifters, later on used in the 351 CJ’s, with 350 gears in both automatic and 4 speed cars. The only non-performance options were tinted glass and an AM radio. The Mustang’s are sequential in serial number, which we all know doesn’t mean they were produced one after another, in Dearborn. The Torino Cobra Twister’s were produced in two serial sequences in Atlanta with all having 429’s, a mix of both CJ and SCJ engines The cars were all shipped to the outbound shipping lot at Claycomo, MO, a suburb of Kansas City, where the stripes and decals were applied by a firm under contract with Ford. It was the shipment to the “outbound only” lot that lead Lois Eminger to find all the invoice copies for me back in 1983. She said something was up when she found cars being shipped to an outbound only lot. Just the opposite occurred with the Twister’s. Many people asked the dealers to remove the stripes and decals before they bought them. The only installed by dealers were wreck repairs including one factory reps Twister that was actually hit by an airplane !! Terry [This message has been edited by kstwist887 (edited 01-04-2006).]
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T5owner Gearhead Posts: 724 From: Germany Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 01-06-2006 02:05 AM
Hi Dave, no need to search further ARI Pace and Promo Car Registrytakes you there. Terry is and was already in touch with us (John Bakke and myself). I pointed him to this posting. Regarding the 67 colours, they are not in the early 68 letter of Ford mentioned that Bob Teets has in his HCS,SCS registry, another book by Bob McClurg refers them to the Kansas area, the Witzenburg doc. confirms them at least to be available. I remember somehow a rumour or story in Mustang Illustrated a decade ago they were used on a sepcial Shelby (which would make sense for Cajun red, but probably not for lavender . Wolfgang
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Dave Gibson Moderator Posts: 10769 From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921 Registered: Aug 99
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posted 01-06-2006 10:44 AM
Thank you for the information Wolfgang. I'm still wondering if this was just a Regional Promotion that was done by one DSO or at the dealerships. Hard telling. Something that would have to be looked in by someone like Kevin Marti since he has all the build sheets. Maybe it did happen and maybe it didn't????? We shall see.Dave & Terri ------------------ '65 Mustang Fastback '66 Mustang Coupe '02 Explorer XLT Common sense isn't common anymore.
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kstwist887 Journeyman Posts: 11 From: Topeka, KS Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-06-2006 01:40 PM
Dave,See my post of 1/4 above. These cars were not dealer applied stripes only. It was strictly a KC District Sales Office(DSO 53) special car done in the pattern of the ARI's. The production and everything was handled by Special Promotions Department in Dearborn after the district had requested a special promotion and a "Total Perfomance Day" presentation by Bob Tasca. The 351C 4V cars would turn in the upper 13's with street polyglass tires and the 428SCJ automatic cars in the low 12's with open headers and drag slicks. Not your normal run of the mill 351C. The info I have has come from both Lois Eminger and Kevin Marti. Have known and dealt with Kevin for 12 years. Have known and worked with Lois for 20 years. Terry
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Dave Gibson Moderator Posts: 10769 From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921 Registered: Aug 99
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posted 01-06-2006 07:52 PM
Terry, I'm still talking about the '67 Twisters. Not the '70. Can't debate the '70s. You all have done way to much research to even think about questioning it.  Dave & Terri ------------------ '65 Mustang Fastback '66 Mustang Coupe '02 Explorer XLT Common sense isn't common anymore.
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kstwist887 Journeyman Posts: 11 From: Topeka, KS Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-06-2006 09:57 PM
Dave,Thanks for the clarification there. I would too be interested in anything on a 1967 Twister Special and since my man that was in special promotions back then has nothing on them, if they were actually done then you are correct in thinking the 1967's may have been a dealer applied option. It's just very curious why Ford would list then in the color chart. But then again, we all know Ford to well !!! Terry
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Dave Gibson Moderator Posts: 10769 From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921 Registered: Aug 99
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posted 01-07-2006 06:18 AM
You got that right Terry. Hence the reasoning of some of the questions I posed. We will never know for sure until one is found. Dave & Terri ------------------ '65 Mustang Fastback '66 Mustang Coupe '02 Explorer XLT Common sense isn't common anymore.
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Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 3237 From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888 Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-18-2006 05:20 PM
If you're looking for a '70 Twister decal kit, here ya go:http://eastwood.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=13882&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=1290&iSubCat=1295&iProductID=13882 Looks good!!
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