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Topic: Aluminum Radiator
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isabil22
Journeyman Posts: 22
From: winchester ky. u.s.a.
Registered: Dec 2005
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posted 01-15-2006 12:32 PM
 
Im looking at doing a aluminum radiator on my 70 mach 351c. It has the stock 20" flange mount.Iknow if I go to a 24" i will have to use saddle mount. Im looking at a Afco that is racing radiator with flange mounts not sure how that will work on a street car. Also a pwr that is a direct fit. Pwr one is 375.00, afco is 179.00 I was wondering if you guys have used one of these. Or do you have other idea. thanks
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silverblueBP
Journeyman Posts: 44
From: Bend, Oregon
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 01-15-2006 05:02 PM
I bought a Northern rad. It fits real nice with just a little fab to mount it.
There are pics on my site below. IIRC, it was less than $200------------------
Mark Sellers
1966 Mustang 2+2 set up for Open Track and Vintage Racing.
Details here: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/667160
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 01-15-2006 06:14 PM
Mark, where did you get the rad for that price?
How hot does it run in traffic on really hot days?------------------
oddly obsessed with big scoops on little Mustangs HOOD HACKERS DELIGHT!
My Pics
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silverblueBP
Journeyman Posts: 44
From: Bend, Oregon
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted 01-15-2006 10:24 PM
I haven't had it in much "Traffic", but the driving I've done so far and the 2 days at the Autocross didn't cause it to get hot. So far it stays right around 180-190.I got a good deal on the rad. My friend that helped me build the engine has a good bud that has a racing supply shop in western Kansas. I saved a buttload of $$ on all the engine parts. I have no idea what they go for anywhere else.
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buening
Gearhead Posts: 317
From: Decatur, IL
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 01-16-2006 01:49 PM
I'm running a 19"x27.5" Northern unit with the automatic trans cooler in my 70 mach. I used the saddle mounts upper and lower and it fit just fine. I did relocate the battery to the trunk as the radiator interfered with the battery tray. The tray could have been trimmed 1/2" or so to get it to fit, but i was looking for a good excuse to move it anyways. I have a Zirgo 3300cfm fan on there right now and am not impressed with the fan. BUT, i had the mechanical fan hooked up for 6 months or so with the radiator and the car never got over 200° except for when you turned the car off and it sat for a few minutes (coolant isn't flowing and the motor heats up the coolant trapped in the block). With the fan on there it hasn't been over 185°, which is where my thermostat is set at.
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1970 Grabber Blue Mach 1 H-code
1970 Fastback
2003 Torch Red Mustang [This message has been edited by buening (edited 01-16-2006).] [This message has been edited by buening (edited 01-16-2006).] [This message has been edited by buening (edited 01-16-2006).]
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-17-2006 10:52 AM
If you have a $200 motor then get a $200 radiator.
If you value your project then only the best will do.Smith's Radiator www.smithsradiator.com
or 765-478-5325
Ask for Tony Smith ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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buening
Gearhead Posts: 317
From: Decatur, IL
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 01-17-2006 12:58 PM
Alex i think it all depends on the budget. If you want a pretty handmade custom piece and can afford the $600+ pricetag then more power to you. My Northern has not failed me yet with bumper to bumper traffic in 100°+ heat and with the A/C on. It doesn't have epoxy like some of the other brand radiators so that is not a worry. A fellow on Stangnet paid $600 for a Be-cool unit for his supercharged 65 fastback. That car overheated like crazy in traffic and i suggested the Northern. He bought one and now has never had it overheat yet. The thing to look out for is the epoxy seams on the radiators. I think Howe or Griffin uses epoxy. Not saying you are wrong or trying to argue, but just stating my opinion that a higher price radiator doesn't necessarily mean that it will cool or last any longer than the $170  ------------------
1970 Grabber Blue Mach 1 H-code
1970 Fastback
2003 Torch Red Mustang
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-17-2006 01:40 PM
I fully understand where you are coming from.
But, I still cannot see the sense in spending thousands of dollars on a engine, then skimping on a radiator.
I have been using Smith's for over ten years now.
My original 1994 unit is still alive and well on a street car that gets driven about 5k miles a year.
My current 12 lb with fan and shroud race unit is now 5 years old and looks and functions as well today as it did when new.
I have hundreds of friends with "competitive" brands that have had to replace theirs for a multitude of reasons.
Most due to inefficient cooling because the product was under engineered for their application by the supplier.
Smith works one on one with every customer.
This past summer I have seen several of the brands mentioned in this thread boiling over or leaking at car shows. Much of it was (as you mentioned) due to poor construction and assembly methods.
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Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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isabil22
Journeyman Posts: 22
From: winchester ky. u.s.a.
Registered: Dec 2005
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posted 01-17-2006 06:29 PM
I agree with both opinions on the price does count. On my 73 mach I went with a standard four core from johns mustang in texas I think I spend 300.00 bucks. It is mildly built on hot days here in ky. it runs a little warmer than I would like. I bought the 1970 mach about two months ago so I really dont know how warm it runs in hot weather. The small 20" radiator bothers me, Plus I Like the look of the aluminum.I would welcome anymore input. thanks Bill
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-17-2006 07:55 PM
www.smithsradiator.com------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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BLstangin
Gearhead Posts: 856
From: St. James, MN
Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 01-17-2006 11:19 PM
Well I'm gonna need an aluminum radiator for my 70 stang to cool the 418w stroker Im puttin in, so buening your saying that it doesn't require me to cut up anything and it will fit with a electric fan between the radiator and motor? I can deal with cutting the battery tray some, also where did you get it and do you have a part number? Also what is your combo, how much power are you making?------------------
1970 coupe restored with the help of my dad. currently engineless, soon to be 418w stroker, lakewood bellhousing, 4-speed toploader, and 3.50 9" locker rear.
1986 f-150, 5.0, factory towing package with original c-6 trans
http://www.supermotors.org/registry/vehicles/detail.php?id=7794
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buening
Gearhead Posts: 317
From: Decatur, IL
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 01-18-2006 09:01 AM
quote:
Originally posted by BLstangin:
Well I'm gonna need an aluminum radiator for my 70 stang to cool the 418w stroker Im puttin in, so buening your saying that it doesn't require me to cut up anything and it will fit with a electric fan between the radiator and motor? I can deal with cutting the battery tray some, also where did you get it and do you have a part number? Also what is your combo, how much power are you making?
I didn't cut anything, just removed the battery and tray and put them in the trunk. I am using the Northern 19"x27 1/4" crossflow unit. I have an automatic trans, so i opted for the trans cooler in mine. The "summit" brand radiators are northerns and can be had for $170. If you want the trans cooler, the price went up to $300. I have about 1/2" on each side of the radiator between the frame rails, if that helps any. I have a Zirgo 3300cfm fan on there (which i am not impressed with) and had to offset it to clear the water pump pulley. The fan wouldn't fit with the motor centered on the pulley, but there is plenty of room on that radiator to fit a 16" fan. My motor is stock bore and stroke, with a comp cams XE262H cam, stock heads, aluminum RPM intake, Edelbrock 1405 600cfm carb, stock manifolds and true dual exhaust. The heads and manifolds are choking my motor so power is near stock. I'm running an FMX behind it. The part number that i ordered was NOR-CR9609 and stated that it was a 19x26 with TOC. Well it showed up as a 19x27.5, so i assume they only make 19x28 with the TOC. Here is a good price if you do have an auto trans and need the cooler http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/19-X-28-FORD-MOPAR-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR-W-AUTO_W0QQitemZ8029274621QQcategoryZ33602QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Otherwise http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-MOPAR-ALUMINUM-RACE-RADIATOR-19-X-28_W0QQitemZ8029516911QQcategoryZ33602QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ------------------
1970 Grabber Blue Mach 1 H-code
1970 Fastback
2003 Torch Red Mustang
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-18-2006 12:21 PM
Just don't try and run any kind of compression on the street with one of those "import" core radiators.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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BILLY HAAB
Journeyman Posts: 21
From: south bend IN.
Registered: Sep 2005
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posted 01-19-2006 10:52 AM
I also Im running a smiths....... nice work
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