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Topic: Need Info on '66 GT-350 Side Scoops
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-17-2006 03:28 PM
 
I'm sure as much as I mention it that everyone know's I'm cloning a '66 GT-350H. My question is...is the car painted with the side scoops on? Or were they painted and then attached?
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63Kcode
Gearhead Posts: 281
From: Anna Tx
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 02-17-2006 03:50 PM
Car was painted at Ford. Side scoops were painted at Shelby American and then pop riveted to the car from the inside.
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-17-2006 08:06 PM
So how were they pop riveted? Is there a lip on the inside of the scoop? Don't the aftermarket scoops have threaded studs that bolt through the fender?
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63Kcode
Gearhead Posts: 281
From: Anna Tx
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 02-17-2006 08:30 PM
67s were held in with a stud. 68s had a stud and two screws at the front. I will try to take a photo of my 66 later. Is there anything else you will need a photo of while I am at it.
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-18-2006 05:57 AM
I appreciate that. That's the only thing I need at this point.
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63Kcode
Gearhead Posts: 281
From: Anna Tx
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 02-18-2006 10:31 AM
You may want to smooth the inside of the fiberglass. So it will be easer to clean if you plan showing it.
http://www.fordmuscle.com/pictures/pics/63Kcode_insde%20scoop.jpg
http://www.fordmuscle.com/pictures/pics/63Kcode_out%20side%20scoop.jpg
http://www.fordmuscle.com/pictures/pics/63Kcode_Top%20inside%20scoop.jpg
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-18-2006 01:11 PM
Simple enough. I expected it to be a little more complex than that. So I guess when I get them, I'll need to tear the interior out to put them in. Yeehaa.
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 02-18-2006 09:07 PM
FYI-
I've got a 66 GT350H someone else installed the side scoops on & they screwed them on at the top & bottom on the inside flange. I assume they also used epoxy since there are no gaps that can be see elsewhere. It also looks like thet were just painted on only on the outside of the scoops before they were installed.
Any other questions you may have on GT350H's let me know. I've done extensive research to make sure mine is as close as possible to the real thing.
Joe
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63Kcode
Gearhead Posts: 281
From: Anna Tx
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 02-18-2006 10:32 PM
FYI
Mine were installed by Shelby American
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-19-2006 07:26 AM
I really appreciate all the help guys. I'm also curious about the Shelby quarter windows. When I bought the car, they were already installed. When I took out the inside fiberglass panels, I was suprised how nasty it looked. Not only did they cut out the supports for the vents, they hacked alot of the metal out. I would like to see what this area is supposed to look like. Any pictures of this area would be helpful.As far as the aftermarket scoops, how clean are they on the inside? Unfinished?
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63Kcode
Gearhead Posts: 281
From: Anna Tx
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 02-19-2006 09:44 AM
Shelby American had no respect for original sheet metal. They removed it as fast as possible. Generaly they would hack it out with a air chisle. So nasty would be correct. Most after market fiberglass is rough on the inside as was the original. In 68 Shelby Automotive used a differant vendor that used S.M.C. parts instead of handlaid glass. If you want correct leave it rough. If easy cleaning is important, smooth them out. As you can see from the photos I much prefer to drive mine than clean it!
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 02-21-2006 01:01 PM
63Kcode,
Must be nice to have a real one. Clone was as close as I could afford. I'd be afraid of driving the real thing on the road nowadays anyway. Too many idiots out there with no respect for other people's vehicles.gmliebbau,
As for the rear quarter windows, make sure you get them sealed really good when you install them. Whoever installed mine did a lousy job of sealing them & they leaked like a seive the first time I washed it. I still haven't figured out the easiest way to seal them, short of tearing them out & starting over. Good luck.
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66 fastback
Gearhead Posts: 223
From: Califon, NJ 07830
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 02-21-2006 01:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Blacksmith:
63Kcode,
Must be nice to have a real one. Clone was as close as I could afford. I'd be afraid of driving the real thing on the road nowadays anyway. Too many idiots out there with no respect for other people's vehicles.gmliebbau,
As for the rear quarter windows, make sure you get them sealed really good when you install them. Whoever installed mine did a lousy job of sealing them & they leaked like a seive the first time I washed it. I still haven't figured out the easiest way to seal them, short of tearing them out & starting over. Good luck.
That's the reason I didn't put them on my car. Even properly installed they look like they were installed by a three blind mice.
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 02-21-2006 01:55 PM
66 Fastback,
The You mean the brake scoops or the quarter windows? The quarter windows do help somewhat with the blind spot, since the bullit style mirrors are just about worthless...
May 1966 Car and Driver said the brake scoops as being better at catching cigarette butts than cooling the brakes except during actual racing, but they do look cool.
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-21-2006 02:43 PM
My biggest fear about those side scoops is losing them driving down the road. I won't be installing the brake ducts, so they'll just be hanging there catching air. I'm just amazed that Shelby only used a couple of rivets to hold them on.As far as the side windows, I've had mine out a few times, and I just put a bunch of silicone sealent on them and on the holes before they were riveted. Never had a problem. My biggest issue with those windows is the rubber molding that fits in the window channel. That dry-rots pretty quickly. Blacksmith, let's see some pictures of your clone.
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63Kcode
Gearhead Posts: 281
From: Anna Tx
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 02-21-2006 09:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Blacksmith:
63Kcode,
Must be nice to have a real one. Clone was as close as I could afford. I'd be afraid of driving the real thing on the road nowadays anyway. Too many idiots out there with no respect for other people's vehicles.
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When I bought mine it would have cost more to build a clone than buy a real one. Today I have problems coming up with money to pay the insurance. I for one would like to see prices come down. Then I could park a 70 Boss 302 between the Shelby and my 69 scj coupe.
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 02-22-2006 06:32 AM
gmliebau,
I emailed you some pics yesterday. Let me know if there's any details you want to see & I'll try to help.63Kcode,
Wish I had bought one back in 80 instead of a 68coupe. Prices were pretty reasonable back then.
I doubt prices will go down anytime soon. Not with Barrett-Jackson pushing the market up...I've been watching the prices & even clones are starting to get a bit rediculous. $28K for mine at about 90% done 8 months ago. Lots of detailing still to do but it's a decent 10' car overall.
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 02-22-2006 05:21 PM
Thanks Blacksmith. I got them. I'll keep you in mind when I start putting her back together.Ed
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63Kcode
Gearhead Posts: 281
From: Anna Tx
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 02-22-2006 10:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Blacksmith:63Kcode,
Wish I had bought one back in 80 instead of a 68coupe. Prices were pretty reasonable back then.
I doubt prices will go down anytime soon. Not with Barrett-Jackson pushing the market up...I've been watching the prices & even clones are starting to get a bit rediculous. $28K for mine at about 90% done 8 months ago. Lots of detailing still to do but it's a decent 10' car overall.[/B]
I spent the 80s smoking dope, chasing girls and restoring Camaros. I got the Shelby bug in 89 and by then they were way out of my price range. Lucky for me the price crash of 91 let me find a 67 350 that needed every thing. For the pricy sum of $9,000 . I spent $5,000 Restoring it. Then traded it and a 68 Camaro for a 69 GT 350 convertible ( Featured in Jan. 95 Mustang Monthly ). I must have spent to much time in the garage and in 95 had to sell the convertible because of my divorce. I got $22,000 and a 67 GT 500 for the convertible. Traded the GT 500 and $3,000 for a 66 GT 350H that I swore if I ever bought I would never sell. Four hours later I recieved a offer I couldn't refuse on the Hertz car. Witch led me to the car I now have. A red 66 with 32k original miles. So I went from thinking I would never own one in 89 to owning five in 94/95. There is always hope! I even had enough money left over from restoring, buying and selling Shelbys to buy a 69 scj coupe ( Featured in July 04 Mustang Monthly). Sadly, I agree that the prices may never come down to a point where this story could be repeated. I have been extremly Lucky.
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66 fastback
Gearhead Posts: 223
From: Califon, NJ 07830
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 02-23-2006 07:54 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Blacksmith:
66 Fastback,
The You mean the brake scoops or the quarter windows? The quarter windows do help somewhat with the blind spot, since the bullit style mirrors are just about worthless...
May 1966 Car and Driver said the brake scoops as being better at catching cigarette butts than cooling the brakes except during actual racing, but they do look cool.
The windows, I put the scoops on but did not cut out for the ductwork. You are correct about the bullet mirrors, can't see a thing. It is nice having an engine powerful enough to allow me to merge or pass by accelerating into an open spot. 
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63Kcode
Gearhead Posts: 281
From: Anna Tx
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 02-23-2006 02:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 66 fastback:
It is nice having an engine powerful enough to allow me to merge or pass by accelerating into an open spot.
I used that excuse a few years ago when I told my wife I wanted a Paxton for Christmas!!
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 02-27-2006 10:29 AM
quote:
Originally posted by 63Kcode:
So I went from thinking I would never own one in 89 to owning five in 94/95. There is always hope! I even had enough money left over from restoring, buying and selling Shelbys to buy a 69 scj coupe ( Featured in July 04 Mustang Monthly). Sadly, I agree that the prices may never come down to a point where this story could be repeated. I have been extremly Lucky. [/B]
I think Lucky is an understatement!
5 in 94-95. I'd be happy with 1 real one.
Especially an "H".
Maybe if I win the lottery...
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 03-03-2006 06:32 PM
You guys will love this. Last week, I ordered my side scoops and the gold GT 350 H stripes. They came this afternoon. The fiberglass scoops are smaller than the scalloped area where they attach, and are really warped up. The GT 350 H stripe is missing the "H". hehe...Gotta love it.
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63Kcode
Gearhead Posts: 281
From: Anna Tx
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 03-03-2006 08:25 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Blacksmith:I think Lucky is an understatement!
5 in 94-95. I'd be happy with 1 real one.
Especially an "H".
Maybe if I win the lottery... [/B]
Well it was 5, but I only had one at a time. Every time I drive the Shelby I feel like I won the lottery. Today was areally good day. Not only was it the first day I have had off this year. It was 75 degrees with the sun shinning. This morning I took the 63 K code to run some errands with and this afternoon I took the Shelby to the beer store. Even got the beer home before it got hot. Sorry to hear about your bad parts gmliebau. The only thing worse than original 65 through 67 fiberglass is the repo stuff. It's funny years ago Hertz cars had a stigma about them. The one I had, had gold strips without the H on it. Now they bring a premeume.
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 03-06-2006 05:48 PM
I contacted California Mustang about the "H" missing from the GT 350 H, and was told that the vendor they use isn't allowed to put the "H" on. California Mustang advertise it as a Hertz stripe kit. So, I'm getting my money back. Should have gone with NPD in the first place. DuhI was just thinking. I could make the "H" with the leftover material couldn't I? [This message has been edited by gmliebau (edited 03-06-2006).]
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63Kcode
Gearhead Posts: 281
From: Anna Tx
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 03-06-2006 08:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by gmliebau:
I was just thinking. I could make the "H" with the leftover material couldn't I?
But why? it would be a real PIA and I don't think you would be very happy with it.
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 03-07-2006 08:37 AM
Right,
Why do it the hard way?
There are always other challenges to deal with, like fitting & mounting your side scoops.
Also, I would suggest if you don't already have a 66 Shelby hood to go with one that has a steel frame, not all fiberglass. Mine is all fiberglass and is starting to show signs of warping side to side and front to rear. It's bowed up in the middle rear about 1/4" and about the same in the middle beside the fenders. Probably from long term exposure to engine heat.
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 03-08-2006 05:34 AM
Well, I've already got the hood. Got a good deal on it too. It's used. Anyway, there will be enough left over material to cut out a few H's. Won't be tough at all with a straight edge and a good sharp razor knife. Although I am going to a local decal place and getting the word "clone" made up in the same color gold. It's going in the stripe below the GT 350.
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 03-08-2006 06:39 AM
Why label it so obviously as a clone?
Have Shelby sign the glove box door & say it's a clone like he did on mine. Or just let people wonder. When people ask me if mine's real, I ask them what they think & then tell them it's a clone.You've got mail regarding the side scoops.
I'll have to get pictures this weekend.
Joe
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 03-08-2006 04:43 PM
I don't want to have to deal with the know-it-alls, that will be sure to tell me what's wrong with it, and why they think it's not a Shelby. I'd rather make it obvious. The tag will read "H-CLONE" or "H-KLONE", the Shelby VIN will also have the word CLONE on it. Plus, the side stripe with that word on it. In essence, I'll have much more freedom with it, i.e. Mass-Flo EFI and a 347 with side exhaust and 15" Magnum 500s.[This message has been edited by gmliebau (edited 03-08-2006).]
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63Kcode
Gearhead Posts: 281
From: Anna Tx
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted 03-08-2006 08:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by gmliebau:
I don't want to have to deal with the know-it-alls, that will be sure to tell me what's wrong with it, and why they think it's not a Shelby. I'd rather make it obvious. The tag will read "H-CLONE" or "H-KLONE", the Shelby VIN will also have the word CLONE on it. Plus, the side stripe with that word on it. In essence, I'll have much more freedom with it, i.e. Mass-Flo EFI and a 347 with side exhaust and 15" Magnum 500s.[This message has been edited by gmliebau (edited 03-08-2006).]
Make them work for it. If you do such a nice job that no one can tell the differance. So be it then you can listen to them talk about how you messed up such a rare car with the EFI and side exaust. Just don't use a VIN# under 2400 on your tag. If it were me I would use #25663 witch spells clone on the telephone. When someone ask if mine is real with a know-it-all attitude I just tell them if they can't tell then what differance dose it make.
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 03-09-2006 07:56 AM
"Make them work for it. If you do such a nice job that no one can tell the differance."
That's half the fun with the know-it-alls is messing with their heads & making them wonder if it's "Live or Memorex".
I've already got another glove box door that is autographed w/o it saying clone. The only dead give away after that is the VIN tag that says M3 007 (McMichael Motorsports clone #007).
I might get another one & stamp the mustang VIN on it instead, that would probably mess with a few know it alls out there.
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 03-09-2006 03:50 PM
As far as the VIN plate, I intend on only securing it with one rivet so it can be slid out of the way to reveal the Ford number. I've already contacted Marti, and they will make one up for me that says CLONE. Should be pretty cool. Blacksmith, I got your email about the scoops. I did get them from California Mustang. I was suprised to hear from them that they get the stripe kits from a company in Maryland. Mustang Market is the name of the place. Supposedly, they don't have permission to use the "H". Makes no sense to me. I accused them of false advertising. Unless they really take care of me, I think this will be the last time I order anything from them. I should call them now.
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66 fastback
Gearhead Posts: 223
From: Califon, NJ 07830
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 03-10-2006 07:54 AM
My Clone has the H stripes on it, here is the number for the guy that did the work. He bought the stripes from somewhere. Gelsi Mustang World, 856-692-3178.
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 03-13-2006 09:07 AM
Ed,
Mustangs Unlimited Or Tony Branda would probably be the best bet for Shelby parts like stripes & scoops Maybe Cobra Automotive too.
From what I've seen Cal. Mustang is more expensive and from your scoop pictures, it looks like they were made in some pretty lousy quality molds.
Hope my pictures are of some use when you get some you can work with. Let me know if you need any other pics.
Good idea of only using 1 rivet on the VIN plate. Mine covers up the 5F0 of my vin & I thought of moving it to a different location, but what's there is enough to see that it's just a clone.
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 03-13-2006 05:21 PM
Wow Blacksmith, I didn't realize you lived so close to my old stompin' grounds. I live about 45 minutes South of DC in Solomons, MD. I bought my Mustang from some folks in Fredericksburg, VA 2 1/2 years ago. Cool.
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 03-14-2006 07:50 AM
Ed,
Small World.
My 65 FB came from Winter Haven, Fla. by way of Braselton, Ga.
Thanks for the quarter window picture. Just what I needed to see.
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