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Topic: Removing the Center Carrier or Hogs Head
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3835
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-14-2006 11:42 AM
 
I spent three ours last night trying to get this out and I think I took too many beer breaks. I know these are a pain to get out and have done it before but this one is really in there. Copper washers are off and I see that someone used a gasket but I can’t tell if they used something to glue it in. Just looking for some tips from you guys to see if maybe there is something I didn’t try.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-14-2006 11:49 AM
BFH!
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Mark Ugrich
Gearhead Posts: 351
From: Waukesha, Wisconsin,U.S.A.
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 04-14-2006 11:52 AM
Try gently tapping a screwdriver or gasket scraper between the housing and the center section. try it in a couple of places around the gasket parting line. Then take another beer break. 
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3835
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-14-2006 11:55 AM
BFH!I guess I’ll pull out that 5 lb mallet.
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1889
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 04-14-2006 12:37 PM
Uh, you DID remove the axles first, correct? I have had stubborn 3rd members before, if it won`t move at all, try using a floor jack under the yoke to break it free from the gasket surface, then it should wiggle out.------------------
78 Fairmont 428 4 speed 10.20@131.5mph 1.32 60 foot
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA M/Stock 302 5speed. 12.36@106.88mph 1.63 60 foot
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3835
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-14-2006 12:43 PM
Of course I pulled the axles, this isn’t my first day at the rodeo! I tried the floor jack but it didn’t budge. Before I gave up for the night I put the floor jack back under there to give it some pressure. I’ll be able to check on it later when my wife gets home (2 ½ & 5 ½ year old to keep an eye on).
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Fastymz
Moderator Posts: 22791
From: Reno Nv M&M #1240
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 04-14-2006 03:58 PM
Be sure to remove all the coper washers first. Then I use a large rubber mallet tap all around the 3rd member. Look for area where the 3rd member meets the housing. Were you can tap a large screwdriver or scraper between the two(Like Mark said). Go slow it will break loose. Ijust removed the 3rd member from my 8" rear end. I didn't take the time to jack the car up much. It's a heck of a lot more easy to get the rear of car as high as you can. I got stuck under the exhaust system not sure how I did it. 
But my two dog thought it was darn funny.  ------------------
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sprcoop
Gearhead Posts: 780
From: Tucson, AZ usa
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 04-17-2006 11:40 AM
Scoop is definitely right about getting the car high enough. I wonder if I could talk the wife into a lift for the garage? Hmmm... My 9" wasn't going anywhere until I tapped the scraper between the housing and punkin' then BAM! Done deal. I wish it went in that easy.
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zieber
Gearhead Posts: 172
From: Central Coast, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 04-18-2006 07:00 PM
Please excuse my ignorance but I know nothing about rear ends although I plan on working on mine very soon.Is this center carrier the pinion, something internal, or the external case? Do you need to remove it to say change the front seal? I really need a layman's explanation of differential maintenance including ring and pinion, positraction, and seals. Anyone got a good link or something? ------------------
1968 Mustang 428,
not original, $1200
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3835
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-18-2006 07:43 PM
I did get it out, after whacking it with the BFH it didn’t even leak any fluid. So I took a small crap screwdriver and started hammering that between the housing and the carrier. It started to separate but still no gear lube. I though maybe it was next to being dry! Took another screwdriver and poked it around and jackpot. Whatever they used they used it on both sides of the gasket to glue things up. It was real hard to scrape the gasket off too.
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68 S-code GT
Gearhead Posts: 3835
From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-18-2006 07:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by zieber:
These are some links that might help! http://www.kevinstang.com/Ninecase.htm http://www.ringpinion.com/ http://www.streetrodstuff.com/Articles/Drivetrain/Rear_End/ I also bought a DVD on ebay by Ken Collins. http://www.badshoeproductions.com/ It’s 2 DVDs with about 3 hours of material on tearing it down and putting it back together again. Took away all of my questions on whether I was doing it correctly or not. Search on Ebay for badshoe or you can buy it directly from Ken. [This message has been edited by 68 S-code GT (edited 04-18-2006).]
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zieber
Gearhead Posts: 172
From: Central Coast, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 04-20-2006 02:48 PM
Thanks for the links. This is just what I needed.
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zieber
Gearhead Posts: 172
From: Central Coast, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 04-27-2006 04:59 PM
I seem to have a leak at the rear end. Do you think it's the pinion oil seal? Can I pull the drive pinion retainer witout upsetting the rest of the differential carrier?[This message has been edited by zieber (edited 04-27-2006).]
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 04-27-2006 07:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
BFH!
Like they taught us in the Army: "There is NO problem that can't be overcome with the proper application of force...Brute force and F'in Ignorance"
5# hammer? Go for a 10-15 # sledge, don't fart around with the light weight s**t!!!(just kidding).
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