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Topic: why? (brakes)
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-13-2006 10:42 AM
 
just wondering...my '65 is a one-owner..."A" code car.....but for some reason, it has a 2bbl carb on it and although it has a "disk" brake pedal, it has front drums....
my question...it's easy enough to assume the owner changed the carb at some point, but why change the front brakes or brake pedal ???
were disk's standard with an "A" code ?
all "A" codes were 4bbl's, right ?------------------
Without life there could be no music, but without music, there can be no life.
1973 Convertible, 1965 A Code 4spd coupe, Past: 1969 GT, 1967 6cyl coupe, 1968 coupe
Two Rivers Ford, Parts Dept., Nashville, TN
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Scott H
Gearhead Posts: 1480
From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 05-13-2006 12:59 PM
If it wasn't a one-owner car I would seriously question the VIN of the car.
A-code cars had 4 barrel carbs and disc brakes.Check into the brakes a little further. Does it have the larger single master cylinder and does it have the disc brake-specific proportioning valve?
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-13-2006 02:08 PM
it has a single, large resevoir master cylinder...non-power.....the proportioning valve has 4 lines coming out of it.....no part number on the valve....that I can see without pulling it off.....
as far as the vin goes....the l/f fender is stamped with the same number as the door tag...so I believe the vin is good....
A guy here at work said only "K" and "C" codes had disk.....but again, I've got the disk brake pedal....???
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gmliebau
Gearhead Posts: 691
From: Port St. Lucie, FL
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 05-13-2006 02:34 PM
The VIN could have been replaced over the years. Maybe the car was in an accident and the front half of the clip was replaced. Then a new door tag was made, or removed from the other car. The VIN can be found 3 places on the car.
1. Machine-stamped into the driver-side inner front fender panel. (Everyone knows this one).
2. Machine-stamped farther back on the inner fender panel, not visible when the fender is in place.
3. Machine-stamped into the passenger side inner front fender, not visible when the fender is in place.Another alternative...Maybe the guy needed to do some engine and brake work on the car and found a C-code donor car and swapped everything over. I'm reaching, but stranger things have happened.
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-13-2006 02:45 PM
I'm going to swing by his house tonight and find out 
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my6T65.0
Journeyman Posts: 26
From: Ohio, USA
Registered: Apr 2006
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posted 05-13-2006 03:58 PM
Discs were only standard on GTs, and GT was only possible with an A or K code. Optional on all other V8s.
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-13-2006 04:36 PM
okay....according to the "bible"...(the Mustang Recognition Guide 1965-1973)
"BRAKES: The 1965 Mustang is equipped standard with drum-type brakes, front and rear, with a drum size of 9" on 6-cylinder cars and 10" on 8-cylinder models. They have a dual-servo internal design and are self-adjusting in reverse only."
The "disk brake" brake pedal was available as an option (as were disk brakes) with the "Make Your Car a GT" program offered using dealer-installed accessories in a promotion they ran in '65.
As far as the carb goes....will have to talk to the owner......
I'll let you know
Bryan
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GTRocks
Gearhead Posts: 4800
From: Lusby, MD
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 05-14-2006 08:45 PM
C code has the 2bbl carb and drum brakes all around. A and K codes were available as GT cars, but not all were. A's and K's had the 4 bbl carb. K's came with discs. A's did not necessarily get discs (optional equipment). I'm guessing the brakes are original, but someone definitely swapped that carb for some reason.  Obviously, the intake had to be swapped also.
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kcode
Gearhead Posts: 3415
From: alvaton,ky,usa Suburb of Bowling Green, M&M #79, MCA #29208
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 05-14-2006 09:21 PM
Since your car is a 4 speed, there was no different pedals for disc or drums, only the rubber pedal covers. Disc brakes were optional on all V-8s in 65, only standard with the factory GT package. You have the distribution block confused with the proportioning valve. The distribution block was the same for disc or drums. It is the brass block that the lines from the master cylinder connect to. The proportioning valve is connected to the rear brake line, down stream from the distribution block on the lower inner fender. It is a cylinder shaped steel tube about 1 1/2 inch diameter with a big KH embossed, for Kelsey Hayes.As for carb and intake, they could have been swapped. I would suggest to start looking for date codes on the block and other components to see if the motor has been changed sometime in its life. ------------------
Mike Golliver
MCA Gold Card Judge-Modifieds
65 Kcode coupe 347 stroker modified 5-speed MCA Retired
66 convertible-3 dueces and a 5-speed with a 289
01 Mustang GT Convt
05 F-150 4x4 CrewCab
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GTRocks
Gearhead Posts: 4800
From: Lusby, MD
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 05-14-2006 11:29 PM
You're obviously more qualified to answer that question that I am Mike, but are you sure you could opt to get the discs on a 'C' code? I always thought they were drums only. /shrug
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-14-2006 11:43 PM
I'll check all that stuff tomorrow night....along with changing the fuel pump....I just got back into town.....Mother's day travels.....geez....7 hours + 1 mini-van + 4 kids and one wife......care to guess how many bathroom stops *singing*...are we there yet, I'm tired, I'm hungry, I'm bored....wanna go potty, what's the matter with mommy, are we there yet...OOPS! I'm wet...... 
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kcode
Gearhead Posts: 3415
From: alvaton,ky,usa Suburb of Bowling Green, M&M #79, MCA #29208
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 05-15-2006 01:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by GTRocks:
You're obviously more qualified to answer that question that I am Mike, but are you sure you could opt to get the discs on a 'C' code? I always thought they were drums only. /shrug
Dave, if you stop and think about it, on a non-GT car, what is the difference between an A and a C code other than carb and intake? Nothing, they are the same on everything else. Mike
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-15-2006 02:02 PM
okay....other than trim and disk brakes...what was the difference between a regular "A" code and a "GT" "A" code ???
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Scott H
Gearhead Posts: 1480
From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 05-15-2006 04:17 PM
Steering, suspension, dual exhaust thru the rear valance, to name a few.
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Whitson
Gearhead Posts: 290
From: Western Canada
Registered: Dec 2005
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posted 05-15-2006 05:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by GTRocks:
You're obviously more qualified to answer that question that I am Mike, but are you sure you could opt to get the discs on a 'C' code? I always thought they were drums only. /shrug
My 66 C-code had factory discs.
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-15-2006 06:16 PM
okay...JUST got off the phone with the previous owner.....he said yes, it came with the drum brakes and HE changed it to a 2bbl because the 4bbl was "screwing up" and he "had a 2bbl set up laying around".....that answers those questions
He also said he has a shed full of parts for both his mustangs (the other was a 66 coupe) and I'm welcome to them....
a SHED FULL of parts....HONEY...where's the keys to the minivan ???!!!
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GTRocks
Gearhead Posts: 4800
From: Lusby, MD
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 05-15-2006 08:01 PM
Shows you what I know! I always thought, obviously erroneously, that you had to have an 'A' code to get discs and dual exhaust and obviously the A code got the 4 bbl. That's why I love M&M so much! Keeps me in check! lol.
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kcode
Gearhead Posts: 3415
From: alvaton,ky,usa Suburb of Bowling Green, M&M #79, MCA #29208
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 05-15-2006 10:15 PM
Dave, ready for another disappointment in life, factory dual exhaust was only available on K codes and GT's. Non GT "A" codes had single exhaust. In 67 you could get a "C" code GT, it had single exhaust and was a GT. Mike
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-15-2006 11:25 PM
well....this is what I plan to do with her anyway....same paint scheme (sp?)....make her LOOK like a vintage racer....
[img]http://www.economysigns.com/vintage1.jpg[img][This message has been edited by honeyburst (edited 05-15-2006).]
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Stang28965
Gearhead Posts: 551
From: Webster New York USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-16-2006 01:43 AM
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-16-2006 08:28 AM
okay, how'd you do that...what did I do wrong ???
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pony boy
Gearhead Posts: 443
From: n.y. n.y.
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 05-16-2006 12:17 PM
I almost don't want to reply to this post Because I don't want to get flogged.I think If a newbie were to read this his/her eyes would be rolling around in his/her head.I'll touch upon some early Mustang facts.Disc Brakes optional on any 65-66 Mustangs with V8's. Standard on GT cars. Factory Dual exhaust standard on GT'S and Any K code whether GT or not Optional on ALL V8 cars.That's Right C or A codes.
Now I'll throw a real wrench into the works Up until 66 K codes could be had with drum brakes all around.Yes it is true K codes had to have the special handling package (HCC AX BOX,13/16" Sway bar,Better springs,shocks,etc.)But this did not include disc brakes.
In terms of engine differences between A and C codes.Yes the common thought is that the only difference is the Four barrel intake.So how do you explain the higher compression found in A codes??? Different pistons.A codes had flat tops (no valve reliefs) C codes had the reliefs.
As far as your car I can say that alot can happen in 40+ years.The 2bbl-4bbl is a no brainer.As far as the brakes I can tell you that the Kelsey hays 4 piston calipers hate to sit and they lock up bad so it is possible that someone eliminated them at some point.I've seen this first hand on a car in my old neighborhood.A guy bought a factory GT The front brakes were beyond shot so he took a front drum brake setup he had sitting in his shop and threw it on so he could get the car running and until his budget allowed him to buy new calipers,etc.So it's possible I've seen factory V8 cars running around with 6 cylinders in them Anything is possible.I think the best thing to do is look for the mounting hole for the proportioning valve in the fender well.And if you are really concerned about the A code Vin look for a build sheet normally behind the inst cluster taped to the harness or pull back the passenger side fender and see if the numbers match.Sorry for babbling.Good luck on your hunt.
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sprcoop
Gearhead Posts: 780
From: Tucson, AZ usa
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 05-16-2006 02:52 PM
Honeyburst, the only thing I see wrong with your attempt at posting the picture is that in HTML at the end of the link you need [/img] and you had omitted the /. That tells HTML you are done linking the image. Try it again.
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-16-2006 03:10 PM
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-16-2006 03:11 PM
well ain't that just skippy !!!
thanks for taking me back to school
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DidgeyTrucker
Gearhead Posts: 1813
From: Greenbrier, TN USA
Registered: Oct 99
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posted 05-16-2006 09:00 PM
Where you at in Nashville?? I'll bring my truck an' hep you get dem parts.And if you're interested in racin', get on out to the Nashville Superspeedway Friday the 19th or Saturday the 20th!! Tracy [This message has been edited by DidgeyTrucker (edited 05-16-2006).]
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honeyburst
Gearhead Posts: 846
From: Nashville, TN, USA
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 05-17-2006 12:13 AM
Hey Tracy.....
the 19th is my 1 year anniversary don't think the wife will let me go to the races 
going to be recouperating on the 20th
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