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Topic: How to paint metal interior pieces with laquer
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 06-05-2006 09:03 PM
 
Hi all.I am in the process of painting my 68 fastback interior pieces parchment.  As you can see, the trap door turned out quite beautifully if I do say so myself. Unfortunately I need to strip it all off again. In the second picture notice the scratch in the paint circled. I did that with my fingernail.  The trap door was sanded with 400 and then sprayed with the parchment spray bomb from NPD. The paint was allowed to dry for a couple hours before I handled it, and it was dry to the touch and did not leave fingerprints when I pushed in on it. Anyhow, the only thing I can think is that it wasn't fully set or that the laquer didn't react well with the primer. In stripping the rest of the metal fold down parts, it appears as if Ford did not primer them at all, just shot color. Should I be doing the same? What kind of prep work should I be doing for the metal interior panels before color coat? I'm actually content to leave it as-is for now, but I am afraid that if I leave it, the first thing that touches it once its in the car will scratch the crap out of it, so might as well strip it off and start over.
[This message has been edited by sigtauenus (edited 06-05-2006).]
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kcode
Gearhead Posts: 3415
From: alvaton,ky,usa Suburb of Bowling Green, M&M #79, MCA #29208
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-05-2006 11:39 PM
Dang Sam, if it is as small as it looks, just touch it up with a small brush or toothpick. Kinda like picking the fly crap out of the pepper. I'm sure Ford did use a very thin coat of primer or a sealer. If they used the thick stuff all of the embossed steel would look smooth. Like any paint, just make sure the base has all of the grease and oil remover, including finger prints. good luck,
Mike
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 4511
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 06-06-2006 12:17 AM
I agree with Mike, that's one helluva small scratch 
In my limited experience, what makes lacquer paint prone to easy scratching is it's too thick. Two or three really thin coats, with lots of drying time in between, work much better than one coat covering everything.
I did the dash that way four or five years ago, just a rattle can, and it's still beautiful today. And a dash is much more likely to get scratched than a trap door.
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 06-06-2006 08:09 AM
LOL, you two are killing me! The point wasn't how small that scratch was, but that I did it with my fingernail. Assumption being that if I could scratch it with my fingernail, anything at all that bumps into it will also scratch it. Besides, I already checked, the trap door latch will cover up that measely little scratch. 
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68 Coop
Gearhead Posts: 5847
From: Mesquite, NV. 89027
Registered: Oct 2004
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posted 06-06-2006 08:20 AM
I'm no painter by a long shot, yet, but it seems to me that the paint is not sticking/drying good enough to mess with as soon as you are Sam. Either that, or the surface of the piece is so smooth the paint has nothing to contact to, so it's drying like a skin covering. Make sense??? I hope you get it resolved, I'm doing my interior myself soon too, so I want it to look as good as possible.------------------
William
The easiest way to find something lost, is to buy a replacement. 68 Coupe
289
C4
3:55's/Trac-Lok
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71RESTO
Gearhead Posts: 1655
From: Oregon, USA
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 06-06-2006 10:01 AM
Hey Sam,
If it's any consolation, I had the same problem on my air cleaner when I painted it. It came out perfect, dry to the touch and everything after about 4 hours dry time. But when I was installing it I bumped it against the carb bolt and put a scratch in it. Sanded it down and reshot it, this time letting it dry for a couple of days before handling. Now it's tough as nails and is hard to scratch.
Bottom line, I think the lacquer will set up more if you leave it for a couple of days, so you should be alright I think.------------------
Duane
71 Fastback (under resto-351C-4V C6 auto)
M & M Member #730
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Blacksmith
Gearhead Posts: 604
From: Front Royal, Va., USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 06-06-2006 10:11 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Fastback68:
I agree with Mike, that's one helluva small scratch
I've got bigger scratches on the outside of my car!!!
"If it ain't broke..."
I'd leave well enough alone & just touch it up, it is after all in the trunk.
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 8198
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 06-06-2006 10:23 AM
Lacquer dries pretty hard, so if it's soft, the lacquer is eating into the primer-not good! Strip city. Lacquer primers today are not what they used to be. Have the best results with Sems Self Etch primer. I get it locally at a paint& body shop supply but it can be ordered through Sems. They are located in Charlotte.Why are you doing your interior BEFORE exterior paint?? Should be the other way around. Paint, do the headliner, install w/s and rear window and do interior.
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 06-06-2006 10:58 AM
Pete, that trap door was all about instant gratification. I just wanted to see something pretty on my car. Actually, its not on my car at all, its currently underneath the bed in the spare bedroom. I happen to be doing the fold down seat right now so I can put it away clean and get its inconvenient bulkyness out of my garage. And, more importantly, its easier to convince the wife to allow clean and pretty car parts in the spare bedroom than ugly rusty ones.
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cynot65
Gearhead Posts: 1258
From: New York
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 06-06-2006 06:58 PM
Sam,
I'm going with Mellow on this one. I learned the hard way. Painted what is going to get covered anyway with a regular primer then paint. It came off in a flake when i hit it with a ratchet. My buddies told me to srape it all off and start with a self etching primer. that'll give the primer something to bond with. I did that then sprayed the color (rattle can burgandy) then a clear coat for added protection and all is well. The self etching primer will also retard most rust from reforming so there is an added bonus to going that route.My 2 cents
Tony C*
BTW You flying them Super Hornets yet?------------------
65 Convertible, Vintage Burgandy/Standard Black Interior, 289, 4spd
M&M Member#450
It ain't done yet, but it'll be done right!!
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 06-06-2006 07:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cynot65:
BTW You flying them Super Hornets yet?
No such luck. I'll hold out a little bit and give it another check. If it just wasn't dry yet I'll leave it alone, it comes off easy again it'll be redo time.
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cynot65
Gearhead Posts: 1258
From: New York
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 06-06-2006 07:36 PM
Sam,
Is it true that the Navy is looking to use the Hornet in different roles? ie bombers, tankers, jammers and the like?
Tony C* ------------------
65 Convertible, Vintage Burgandy/Standard Black Interior, 289, 4spd
M&M Member#450
It ain't done yet, but it'll be done right!!
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 06-08-2006 07:42 AM
Tony, it does look that way, depending on who you ask.
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cynot65
Gearhead Posts: 1258
From: New York
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 06-08-2006 01:03 PM
It seems to make fiscal sense as far as having only one airplane to supply parts for. In my opinion (being a former USAF guy with 200 hrs. of seat time) the Hornet may be the best bird in the skies .....with the exception of the Bald Eagle.
Tony C*
I'd give up a minor body part for just 1 carrier take off and landing------------------
65 Convertible, Vintage Burgandy/Standard Black Interior, 289, 4spd Top loader
M&M Member#450
It ain't done yet, but it'll be done right!! (I can't wait to change the last line)
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sigtauenus
Gearhead Posts: 3969
From: Va Beach
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 06-08-2006 02:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cynot65:
the Hornet may be the best bird in the skies .....with the exception of the Bald Eagle.
No bias here at all, but I will agree!! quote:
Originally posted by cynot65:
I'd give up a minor body part for just 1 carrier take off and landing
And it would be worth it too!
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