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Topic: FORD 302 TRANS AM TUNNEL PORT CYLINDER HEADS
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-13-2006 12:17 AM
 
Now this is cool!!!Check this out
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Tom G
Gearhead Posts: 1069
From: Bethlehem, Pa USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 11-13-2006 08:37 PM
Whats the rpm range? 6-9k+++ ??? Definetly Cool!------------------
67 Mustang F/B 302 GT-40X FMS engine RPM Air Gap 650 Holley DP Crane 1.7 roller rockers, Performer Nitrous, ceramic headers WC T5, cable clutch MagnaFlow SS kit W/X Pipe 3.89 9". SSBC 4 piston frdisc Clearwater Aqua, Vintage 40 series 16X8 215 front 255/50 drag radials 308 RWHP@5800rpm 300 tq NA 385rwhp 380 w 75 shot 13.11 @111mph 88 GT (FiveOfastback's ride)
347 Twisted wedge custom HYD roller 565 lift 282 duration Street Heat, BBK headers X pipe
G Force 353 RWHP 393 RWTQ Red/Silver Newest Project!
69 Boss 302 Acapulco Blue
65k original miles Matching number motor and trans
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-13-2006 09:21 PM
Now that's the way a SBF intake port should look, lol. It looks as big as a 429 SCJ intake port.btw, what's wrong with Ford? I��m sure they still have the molds and tooling around, as well as some other cool race parts, and could sell this stuff in the performance market easily for much less then $9,000.00 a set and make some good money. This has always been something that��s bugged the hell out of me about Ford for years, the ��Too much of a good thing is bad�� philosophy. I wish he posted a better pic of the exhaust port. I've heard of those heads, but I've never seen them before.
 [This message has been edited by Buster (edited 11-13-2006).]
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indyphil
Gearhead Posts: 3394
From: Senoia, G.A. USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 11-14-2006 07:25 AM
You know your right about them recasting these.The original problem as I understood it was that the bottom end couldnt survive the stresses of the RPMS. But that was then, and this is now. I supposed you can always port the heck out of some bigger heads from the modern aftermarket and achieve the same for less - might even have more efficient combustion.
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 3237
From: Stanton, Michigan, zip 48888
Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 11-14-2006 07:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by indyphil:
I supposed you can always port the heck out of some bigger heads from the modern aftermarket and achieve the same for less - might even have more efficient combustion.
I think I read somewhere that due to that big pushrod tube going right through the middle of the runner, the flow numbers for them wasn't THAT impressive.... IMHO, I'd bet you could easily get more performance for much less $$$ with a set of good aftermarket heads professionally ported. Those 1968 tunnel port cylinder heads should simply go into some motorsports museum "engineering inovation" display.... Ryan 
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427Fastback
Gearhead Posts: 530
From: N.Vancouver.B.C
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 11-14-2006 10:26 AM
There was one of those engines sitting in the back of a well known (from the T/A years) shop here in town for many years.They would not sell it and it has since disappeared back east some where. Cory ------------------
68 Fastback 427MR 5 spd.Deluxe interior,8000 tach,140
speedo,tilt.Currently under going a major re-fit.1967 289 5spd Coupe awaiting transformation into a T/A clone.Both cars now are radio and heater delete...
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Rory McNeil
Gearhead Posts: 1889
From: Surrey, B.C. Canada
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 11-14-2006 12:50 PM
The rocker shaft assemblies sure look like 272-312 Y Block stuff. As for the exhaust ports, if they are typical of Fords thinking back in the 60`s, all the work went into the intake side, and they left the exh. side alone. ------------------
78 Fairmont 428 4 speed [email protected] 1.32 60 foot
80 Fairmont 302 5 speed 12.8@105mph
85 Mustang NHRA M/Stock 302 5speed. [email protected] 1.63 60 foot
59 Meteor (Canadian Ford) 2 dr sedan 332, auto
74 F350 ramp truck 390 4spd
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SkinnyMan
Gearhead Posts: 916
From: Tupelo, MS - USA (CA temporarily)
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 11-14-2006 01:57 PM
My understanding is you had to have BIG revs - 7-9K to reach the fat spot of power and torque.------------------
SkinnyMan
Tupelo, MS Thank you, Thank you very much!
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-14-2006 05:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rory McNeil:
As for the exhaust ports, if they are typical of Fords thinking back in the 60`s, all the work went into the intake side, and they left the exh. side alone.
Not a very good pic, but to me they look bigger then normal. 
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 6376
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: Dec 99
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posted 11-15-2006 10:28 PM
Yeah the exhaust ports are enlarged a bunch and i think they had fairly big vales too, like 2" intakes and 1.55" exhaust of close to that.
I've seen a few sets, only ones for sale were at some shop in North Hollywood 20 years ago.
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-16-2006 01:21 AM
What do ya'll think about the price?
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blackford
Journeyman Posts: 76
From: Corona, Ca
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 11-19-2006 11:07 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Buster:
What do ya'll think about the price?
Well, it must be too high because no bids were made. I'm curious of their worth myself. ------------------
Tracy Blackford
'65 "Black" ford FB, 331 with H beam 289 rods, KB322s, fully prepped 351w heads, 282S cam, T5z, 3.50 9" posi. Many Suspension and handling mods. 4.5 year restomod project completed in June '04. 335 SAE RWHP @ 6400.
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-20-2006 11:35 PM
Does anyone remember the small block Tunnel Port heads that Ford offered in the Ford Motorsport Catalog a few years ago? I really couldn��t understand which block they were supposed to go with, maybe a Dart block or Dart type of block with the five bolt wholes per cylinder? And was it essential to use a block like that?Also, does anyone know how many heads and intake combo's Ford made for this setup and was it worth the price? Has anyone seen these parts for sale or seen anyone run this comb?
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blackford
Journeyman Posts: 76
From: Corona, Ca
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 11-21-2006 12:26 PM
There was an article in a Mustangs and Fords mag a year or so ago about a guy who restored a 302 tunnel port '68 coupe. They put out about 420 HP and redlined at 8500 rpm from what I read. The car performed very well thru a slalom test they ran. I've also read that the cars ran very low 13s at about 105 or 107 mph. High 12's was within reach.427 tunnel ports were monster motors and they also had pushrod tubes thru the middle of the port. They came from the factory with somthing like 630 HP and they did very well in NASCAR. There is a set of 427 tunnel port heads and intake for sale on ebay. Pontiac had two tunnel port engines...a 303 tunnel port trans am engine and a Ram Air V tunnel port 400 that never went into full production, but it put out 565 gross HP at 6400 rpm. Same idea too...pushrod tubes thru the middle of the ports. I love this historical stuff! ------------------
Tracy Blackford
'65 "Black" ford FB, 331 with H beam 289 rods, KB322s, fully prepped 351w heads, 282S cam, T5z, 3.50 9" posi. Many Suspension and handling mods. 4.5 year restomod project completed in June '04. 335 SAE RWHP @ 6400. [This message has been edited by blackford (edited 11-21-2006).]
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-21-2006 08:50 PM
If not for SE Knudsen and his band of transplanted GM mental midgets the TP programs could/would have evolved to become the dominant power plants in motorsports.
Not taking anything away from the Boss program, but it set the long time FoMoCo engineers back 2-3 years in technology.
In case you guys/gals didn't know, the 302 TP was slated to be the 289 Hipo replacement for 1968.
Motors were done, chassis were refined (staggered shocks, trick Autolite stuff and more)and a two speed axle program.
Bunkie's and his crew wanted no part of it so it was all sh*tcanned.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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427Fastback
Gearhead Posts: 530
From: N.Vancouver.B.C
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 11-21-2006 11:53 PM
Just to add to Alex's info..
On the back of the 68 Mustang sales brochure it lists a 302 for sedan racing,special order only.11-1 comp,306HP,special high performance induction system,solid lifter.4spd only and GT only..Cory ------------------
68 Fastback 427MR 5 spd.Deluxe interior,8000 tach,140
speedo,tilt.Currently under going a major re-fit.1967 289 5spd Coupe awaiting transformation into a T/A clone.Both cars now are radio and heater delete...
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-22-2006 12:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
If not for SE Knudsen and his band of transplanted GM mental midgets the TP programs could/would have evolved to become the dominant power plants in motorsports.
Not taking anything away from the Boss program, but it set the long time FoMoCo engineers back 2-3 years in technology.
In case you guys/gals didn't know, the 302 TP was slated to be the 289 Hipo replacement for 1968.
Motors were done, chassis were refined (staggered shocks, trick Autolite stuff and more)and a two speed axle program.
Bunkie's and his crew wanted no part of it so it was all sh*tcanned.
You know, those stories really blow my mind... I just don��t get it. It��s like what would have happened if the U.S. or Germany happened to kill Wernher von Braun in the 40��s? Where would our space program be today. I��m sure years behind where we are today�� All those excellent ideas Ford engineers had were just shot to hell for no good reason. Furthermore, imagine what Fords engine program would be like today if they had focused on a production TP engine in 1968. I don��t think we would have the overhead cam engines were dealing with now, which isn��t making the same power, IMHO. The overhead cam engines are good for adding a blower for quick power, but for real power I think the TP setup would have been much better in the HP race.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-22-2006 12:38 AM
The 2-4V 302 street TP was rated at 240 HP in smog trim.
Remember that this was at the same time that they had just introduced and rated the 428 CJ at 335 HP.
We all know how that deal worked out don't we.  ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-22-2006 01:07 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
The 2-4V 302 street TP was rated at 240 HP in smog trim.
Remember that this was at the same time that they had just introduced and rated the 428 CJ at 335 HP.
We all know how that deal worked out don't we.
Yeah, friggen insurance.... bastages. What year was this, for the 2-4V 302 street TP that is? Was this a projected engine setup that was leaked?
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-22-2006 01:36 AM
Street TP 302 was a scheduled 1968 production engine Buster.
2 470 CFM 4300 series Autolite carbs on a inline intake.
Motors were built complete carbs to oil pan and fan to clutch then parked utill the program was scrapped. Then they were all crated and sold to Gratiot Auto Supply in Michigan circa 1971 where they advertised them for $895 fob Detroit.
Boy, I would have sold my soul for one then.
Might has well been a million bucks to me.
Oh yeah, they also had BRAND NEW carb to pan 427 SOHC "scrapped" motors in the crate for just under $2,500 if I recall correctly.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-22-2006 02:03 AM
Do you know how many street TP's there were?
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-22-2006 11:20 AM
Not for certain Buster.
I do know that Gratiot had over 100 of the engines for sale and Ford built several mule test cars including one Cougar.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-23-2006 12:26 AM
Was Ford selling the SBF TP heads over the counter?
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-23-2006 12:33 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Buster:
Was Ford selling the SBF TP heads over the counter?
Yes.
Single 4 V or 2 4V intake set ups. ------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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Buster
Gearhead Posts: 1821
From: Hurricane alley
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-24-2006 12:04 AM
So, it sounds like the eBay��s seller statement that only 40 Pairs of these heads were made is stretching the truth? Not that they��re not rare, I��m sure they are, but it sounds like 40 sets is off a bit.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 29200
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-24-2006 12:39 AM
I have seen over 50 302 TP heads at one time all in the same place. They were scrapped and sold as salvage to General Iron in Chicago circa 1975.------------------
Alex Denysenko
Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/SRA member and licensed Superstock driver
NHRA and IHRA SS/LA & SS/MA National Record Holder '00,'01,'02,'03,'04 &'05
First NHRA & IHRA 289 automatic Superstock Mustang in the TENS 06-99
First SS/MA in the TENS 04-03
IHRA division 5 Superstock Champion
Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 The Barry of BarrysGrrl Quote #1: "I never met a magazine mechanic I liked."
Quote #2: "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth!"
Quote #3: "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"
www.moneymakerracing.com
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