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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-19-2006 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
Please tell me how you feel about these issues:

a) How important is it to keep your post count?

b) Would it bother you if all our current threads on all forums were in archival form and you could view them but no longer add to them and all forums started with new threads?

I'll probably think of more questions later.

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73trials
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posted 11-19-2006 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 73trials        Reply w/Quote
a) Not too important. I'll never catch up with Scoop anyway.

b) Also not a big deal.


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kid vishus
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posted 11-19-2006 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus        Reply w/Quote
It would be nice to keep my post count, but it's not something I would deem extremely important, especially if it means un-necassary work for you or who-ever sets up the new board.

Archived threads would be fine with me.

mustangs68
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posted 11-19-2006 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68        Reply w/Quote
Steve,
bottom line is what easiest for you.

Archiving the old threads sounds good as a resource.

Sam

73trials
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posted 11-19-2006 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 73trials        Reply w/Quote
Hey, I just noticed... I topped 1400 posts!! WHOOO-HOOO!! Can I change my answer??
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capri man
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posted 11-19-2006 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man        Reply w/Quote
whatever you need to do will be fine with me!! on the post count question, i guess on the new post count we could just type in a +1234 etc. to the new count. or in scoops case +123,456,789!!

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67stang
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posted 11-19-2006 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67stang        Reply w/Quote
1: Wish we didn't have them. They are not indicative of anything except how much time is spent on the net. If they were narrowed down to only advance through tech posts, then I can see keeping them. But they are not needed.

2: Not worried about it. New threads can always be started if absolutely needed.

68 Coop
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posted 11-19-2006 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 Coop        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
Steve,
bottom line is what easiest for you.


Sam


Same here, what ever is easiest.

rmousir
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posted 11-19-2006 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rmousir        Reply w/Quote
I am with everyone else. What ever is easiest for you.

Although, I us the post count to see who is a regular on the forum and who is not. Sounds weird but I don't trust everyone and I am more comfortable with someone who is on here a lot vs. someone who is not.

Thanks.
Richard.

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Scott H
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posted 11-19-2006 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott H        Reply w/Quote
# of posts is not an indication of how reliable the posted information or knowledge is, its only an indication of how much time has been invested in the site. Those who have been around for several years and helped dozens of us should perhaps have a way of being recognized for their effort.

Archive the old stuff, start new threads.

If we move to a new site, I think it would be nice to recognize the Alumni who've been around a while, it will also help us welcome the newbies.

Mike65
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posted 11-19-2006 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike65        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
Steve,
bottom line is what easiest for you.

Archiving the old threads sounds good as a resource.

Sam


I agree with Sam, whatever is the easiest for you Steve.

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GTRocks
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posted 11-19-2006 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTRocks        Reply w/Quote
Scale of 1-10, with 1 being unimportant:

a) 3

b) 2

Both are nice-to-haves.

Dave Gibson
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posted 11-19-2006 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson        Reply w/Quote
Steve,
Do what ever is easiest for you. Post count is no big deal either way. K.I.S.S.

Dave & Terri

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ctastang
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posted 11-19-2006 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ctastang        Reply w/Quote
Steve, whatever's best for you. They are nice things to have, but not important.

Carole

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honeyburst
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posted 11-20-2006 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for honeyburst        Reply w/Quote
I'll agree with Sam.....whatever is easiest/cheapest for you

indyphil
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posted 11-20-2006 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for indyphil        Reply w/Quote
I think membership date is as important as post count to me.
When I see someone new join I like to see that they are new and not a returning member who was gone for a while.

Wicked-Toy
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posted 11-20-2006 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wicked-Toy        Reply w/Quote
What ever is easiest. Post count is totally unimportant to me. Archived threads are fine.

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ccode67
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posted 11-20-2006 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67        Reply w/Quote
Post count is not important, make it easy on yourself.

Steve, E-mail an address for my donation, I don't do paypal.

Blacksmith
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posted 11-20-2006 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blacksmith        Reply w/Quote
Whatever works best for you Steve.

mellowyellow
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posted 11-20-2006 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow        Reply w/Quote
easiest and cheapest

70 Pony
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posted 11-20-2006 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70 Pony        Reply w/Quote
Whetever is easiest FOR ME !!!!!!!
Since I am a dope....

lyle29464
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posted 11-20-2006 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyle29464        Reply w/Quote
you saw I was closing in on you


ok kidding numbers don't mater

Fastymz
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posted 11-20-2006 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz        Reply w/Quote
No more post count that would be a great thing. Really the post count is not important to me at all.

Archived threads would work fine too.

"# of posts is not an indication of how reliable the posted information or knowledge is"
Scott why were you looking at me when you made this post?

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Bulldog66
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Posts: 96
From: Lake City, Fl.
Registered: Nov 2006

posted 11-20-2006 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bulldog66        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Please tell me how you feel about these issues:

a) How important is it to keep your post count?

b) Would it bother you if all our current threads on all forums were in archival form and you could view them but no longer add to them and all forums started with new threads?

I'll probably think of more questions later.


I moderate a popular gaming meessege board. Although post count does not sound like much, it gives the old timers something to brag about

Post count also generaly gives new folks a sense of knowing what they're talking about.

Post count can also be a problem if folks are farming for count.

The current thread issue is not realy a big deal. As long as we could refrence them, them I'd say whatever.

Having the ability to add a pic in a signature and be able to use some kind of avatar would be nifty.

That's my 2 pints of gear oil

SkinnyMan
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From: Tupelo, MS - USA (CA temporarily)
Registered: Jan 2005

posted 11-20-2006 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SkinnyMan        Reply w/Quote
Steve,

On count - just so newbies are easily identified and can be welcomed to the site.

Archiving - do it.

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Thank you, Thank you very much!

SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
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posted 11-20-2006 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
Well, what I'm trying to do is find a way where I can merge the old board into the new. I think I can find a way where aside from new features the only way you'll know there's been a change is by the different logo at the bottom of the forum. That way the post counts and sign-up dates will be kept and the new forums will be populated with the old threads.

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mustangs68
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From: Hampton Va MCA#39406 M&M #12 Member Mustang Club of Tidewater
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posted 11-20-2006 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68        Reply w/Quote
As for the photos and such in the Sig,,Pleae no.It get reaaly boring looking at them over and over and over again and they take time to load.

Sam

68 Coop
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Posts: 5847
From: Mesquite, NV. 89027
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posted 11-20-2006 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 Coop        Reply w/Quote
I agree, avatars are just a waste of bandwidth.

n2oMike
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Posts: 3058
From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 11-21-2006 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike        Reply w/Quote
Go with the best format we can afford. Everybody will adjust. VBulletin is what most other sites use, and many here are familiar with it, which would make it an easy change. It's probably popular for a reason.

Avatars, signature pics, etc. are nice and give a personal touch..... IF you've got the bandwidth for it. Most sites that offer these things have limits on size.

Do what's best. Everybody will adjust. If it's better, it will be better in the long run.

Thanks!

Mike

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66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
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indyphil
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From: Senoia, G.A. USA
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posted 11-21-2006 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for indyphil        Reply w/Quote
Im still on dial-up at home, and would prefer very small pictures or none at all. As sam said it gets repetitive to look at the same things. heck after a while the dancing banana has lost its edge. I dont mind little pictures, like 1 inch by 1 inch.

65whitestang
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Posts: 111
From: Eastern,CT
Registered: Jun 2006

posted 11-21-2006 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65whitestang        Reply w/Quote
I don't have a ton of posts so I am still
a newbie. So here is a newbie's perspective
of posts count:

It doesn't appear that the more posts people have the more they know,but they can usually
point you in the right way. I have seen someone
with over a 1000 posts ask something I would see as 'basic' knowledge.Then people with only 15 posts jump on and tell you the solution to something very difficult.
It does seem to give a postive status to people with high post counts. I know that you
can b.s. with the higher post people a little easier on the board. Some of the lower post people seem to want to keep to themselves a litle more.
On some of the other poards I see they don't give a actual post count,but a small graphic
that shouldn't hurt dial up users. Something like new people are oil changers and higher posters would be master mechanics...I'm sure there is all different kinds to choose from.
Once the transition is made to a new board and not keeping the old post count the people that post a lot will quickly build up posts. Plus is gives everyone a clean slate and covers up some of the time spent on the computer. To my wife 100 posts would mean five minutes a post and that 500 minutes on the computer in her eyes. A couple times a year she mentions I have been on the computer a little to long. She says I have an adiction to car porn.
Thanks for the time,

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65 Convertible
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Jerry Davidson
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Posts: 17
From: Cleveland, Ga. 30528 USA
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posted 11-21-2006 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Davidson        Reply w/Quote
I hate to lose sooo many posts but, AHHH do what you want. Speak of newbies; I'm it!! jerry

SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-21-2006 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mustangs68:
As for the photos and such in the Sig,,Pleae no.It get reaaly boring looking at them over and over and over again and they take time to load.

Sam


I don't like avatars either. The look really stupid to me and a waste of speed for the people that are still on dial-up.

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hwyman3
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From: Southern Maryland, USA
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posted 11-21-2006 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hwyman3        Reply w/Quote
I'm still on dial-up and the avatars don't bother me too much. For me, it's just an easy way to quickly identify the poster. I know, the user name is just too hard to read!

I know that phpBB allows the admin to not allow avatars or graphics in your signature, as I believe most of the popular message board software programs have the same options.

I also vote for whatever is easiest and will work the best.

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kid vishus
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posted 11-21-2006 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus        Reply w/Quote
I also really dislike avatars and large sigs with pictures. To me, it cheapens the way sites look.

The ability to upload a picture directly to the site, and have it be a thumbnail till you open it, would greatly help those on dial up. They would have the option of actually looking at the full size pic that way instead of being forced to by simply opening the thread.

But, none of that had anything to do with the original question.

65whitestang
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posted 11-21-2006 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65whitestang        Reply w/Quote
I wasn't refering to avatars in the sig or user name area. Its more like small title below the user name. I don't like avatars much as some people pick really obnoxious ones. A vw board used to be on was proof of that. For some reason people starting using different pictures of SPAM creations. It ended up getting so annoying a few of the users dropped going there. I used to think if I see one more friggin spam animal, I am going to make the user eat the damn thing...too bad we just can't the format
in use now. I love the simplicty of it and that being fairly graphic free it slides though works filters unnoticed !!!!!

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65 Convertible
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Stewart
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From: Monterey, CA Mustangsandmore Member #437
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posted 11-21-2006 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stewart        Reply w/Quote
I like avatars. Here's the one I use at all the other sites.

Just a big ol' "S" for Stewart!

I like post counts too, but not because it makes anyone smarter, but rather, when anyone stops by and looks around and see's all the users who have a large post count, it makes the site seem more friendly, since people obviously stay long enough to have a count people would consider high.

Stewart

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BarrysGrrl
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posted 11-21-2006 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BarrysGrrl        Reply w/Quote
Most sites that use avatars and allow pics in sigs also allow users to "turn them off", so those who have dial up can see the threads sometime during this century!

Whatever is best for you, Steve. Though I hate to see all of scoop's hard work wiped out, if you have to lose the post counts, so be it. Really, I think the post count are a somewhat helpful HERE to newbies. B.S. people aren't allowed to talk here much and/or for long.

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n2oMike
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Posts: 3058
From: Spencer, WV
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posted 11-22-2006 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike        Reply w/Quote
Below is my avatar for one site. It takes pretty much zero time to load, and once it's in a cache of somebody's computer, it doesn't have to download anymore. It already exists, and just pops up.

However, I do NOT like big pictures in signatures. Those are an incredible waste of bandwidth. They also make the pages drag out too long.

I don't mind the avatars, as they give an instant visual clue and personal reference as to who is posting.

As I'm sure you know, all these things can be adjusted by the administrator of the site.

Good Luck!


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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367
http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?220

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 11-22-2006 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ccode67:
Post count is not important, make it easy on yourself.

Steve, E-mail an address for my donation, I don't do paypal.


If anyone wants to help out and doesn't want to use PayPal my address is

73 Shadagee Rd
Saco, Maine 04072

Thanks again, we are all pulling together here nicely.

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JSracing
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From: Batesville, MS. U.S.
Registered: Jul 2006

posted 11-23-2006 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JSracing        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Please tell me how you feel about these issues:

a) How important is it to keep your post count?

b) Would it bother you if all our current threads on all forums were in archival form and you could view them but no longer add to them and all forums started with new threads?

I'll probably think of more questions later.



A not important, I just changed my user name and lost I can't remember how many post count? it's just a number
B. as long as the tech stuff could be pulled up what difference would it make? archiving would suffice.

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JSracing
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From: Batesville, MS. U.S.
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posted 11-23-2006 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JSracing        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JSracing:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
[b]Please tell me how you feel about these issues:

a) How important is it to keep your post count?

b) Would it bother you if all our current threads on all forums were in archival form and you could view them but no longer add to them and all forums started with new threads?

I'll probably think of more questions later.



A not important, I just changed my user name and lost I can't remember how many post count? it's just a number ( for those of you who somehow have been asleep I used to be jsracingbbf on this site.

B. as long as the tech stuff could be pulled up what difference would it make? archiving would suffice.

[/B][/QUOTE]

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kwazykat
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From: ...a wonderful place to be.... orange county... NC!!!! M&M member #92 .... a blue-oval GRRL-deluxe.....
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posted 11-24-2006 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kwazykat        Reply w/Quote
for me, the post count is most useful to identify new users .... i also like seeing the 'registered' date ....

archiving topics is fine! if someone wants to revive one, they can post a link to the original and carry-on in a new thread....

quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
I don't like avatars either....

i do not mind a thumbnail jpeg too terribly much ..... but they really do clutter up the scene....

i cannot stand gif or other animated files .... all that flashy moving-around eyesore junk is annoying to me ....

also, with the huge popularity of 'myspace', there are some sites now that allow a registered user to set up a page of their own.... if there was a way to allow M&M members to do this for themselves after reaching X-amount of posts, it would be cool....

being able to control access would be the key ..... keeping that feature "reserved" for M&M'ers who have met a posting goal or time period plus posting goal or some such guideline .... there would need to be a measure to prevent bandwidth being sucked dry by fly-by-users.....

we could upload our car pics steve, and not have to bug you to set up a member page for us..... just a thought....

kk


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