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Moneymaker
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Cover shot.

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ORIGINAL, UNMOLESTED, MINT CONDITION 1964 Comet/Cyclone Dealer Brochure. This is not a reproduction, this is the real deal my friends.

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Now, for the Coupe D'Grat . . . . an ORIGINAL, still in it's vinyl pocket wallet (cover shown below), Dealer Sales Order Code Guide.

This handy dandy little item gave salesmen and managers all of the option codes for ANYTHING that could be ordered on a 1964 Mercury Comet. Note there is NO 289 HiPo available. Sorry Gary.

My sweetie hasn't decided yet if she wants some Blue Crabs or some Crab Cakes from Legal Seafood. And she worked very hard scanning and uploading all this crap, so you owe her a LOT of crabs/crab cakes!

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quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:

Now, for the Coupe D'Grat . . . . an ORIGINAL, still in it's vinyl pocket wallet (cover shown below), Dealer Sales Order Code Guide.

This handy dandy little item gave salesmen and managers all of the option codes for ANYTHING that could be ordered on a 1964 Mercury Comet. Note there is NO 289 HiPo available. Sorry Gary.

My sweetie hasn't decided yet if she wants some Blue Crabs or some Crab Cakes from Legal Seafood. And she worked very hard scanning and uploading all this crap, so you owe her a LOT of crabs/crab cakes!


Uh...Publication date(s) on your material(s)?

Sorry...Early publication date doesn't prove a thing. The TSB does. That is the reason for TSB's. Running changes. Too much written evidence against your position. Sorry.

NO CRABS! New England, blue, green or otherwise...

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You know what I really hate?
Sore losers.
Gary, you are a sore loser.
At least have the balls and be man enough to admit when you are wrong and face up to it.
TSB's always were and still are amended and updated.
I've seen, administered, and or performed more amended TSB's then you have probably ever read.

The documents I posted are actual, dated FoMoCo dealer material that was tendered to a dealer for sales and order use.
There were no 64.5 amended order guides or sales documents for 1964 Comets regarding drive train options.
You lost the bet.
If you want to welch so be it.
I expected no less from a current white house administration supporter.
This my last word on the topic!


Steve, what flavor pizza would you like?

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I see that we are so full of ourselves that we cannot understand publication dates and/or the use of TSB's.

You want to stomp your feet and hold your breath? Play through.

The fact of the matter is that the option was offered, after the dates of your sales publications (which are not known for their accuracy).

Either accept the material(s) or don't. Has no effect on my life.

...sheesh...

The sound of your patting yourself on the back is getting rather annoying. :roll:

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I'm not sure if any Comets were built in Canada, but the Canadian built Falcon which was built at the St.Thomas assembly plant had a 289 hi-po as an option. For some reason the American built ones didn't and the Canadian built Fairlanes didn't.

Steve 64 Fairlane S/C

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On a related note, My 68 Cougar brochure has the specs on the GTE which clearly states that it comes with a 427 engine, but part way through the year I know that, that engine was discontinued and the 428 was then offered. I guess things do change from when early year literature is printed.
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I would think proof of a 271HP Comet is a 3.89 gear ratio code or the original 9" housing... not available on a non-hipo. This is how you identify a 271hp Falcon since the Canadian VIN doesn't have an engine designator. It had a two digit code which indicated "289-manual trans" which could be a 2V and 3 spd also.

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HiPo Comets are extremely rare, but they DO exist.

A major part of the problem is that, unlike Mustangs and Fairlanes, Comets did NOT use the "K" letter code in the VIN to designate a 289 HiPo. Another complication is that the 289 HiPo exhaust manifolds will not fit the Comet front end structure, which is shared with Falcon, and is actually tighter than a Mustang front end. You just about have to have the vehicle build sheet to identify a true "factory HiPo" 289/271 Comet. Examples of the build sheets for verified factory "HiPo Comets" for 1964 and 1965 can be seen in Bob Mannel's extremely thorough book on Ford small block V-8's.

The five 1964 Comet Calientes prepared by DST Industries for the Comet 100,000 Durability Run at Daytona in September 1963 all had 289/271 engines. The quintet of Comets broke many National and International speed records in class "C", setting a new 100k mile record at 110mph, and a new 10k mile record at 124mph.

I suspect that the Comets used in the East African Safari in 1964, and the Cape Horn to Fairbanks Rally in 1965 were probably HiPo's, too, though I have not been able to find any proof.

My first car was a 1965 Comet Caliente - my parents bought it new in the Fall of 1964. I have checked out many Comets over the years, and have only seen a handful that I believe MAY have been factory HiPo's.

I built my own - bought a wrecked HiPo Mustang, and swapped the 289/271 engine, 9" rear end, and disc brakes onto my Comet. I added dual quads, a Shelby 1" sway bar, Addco rear sway bar, Comet AM/FM radio, a fiberglass Comet twin-scoop hood, side exhaust, and Shelby 10 spokes.

Had a lot of fun, and surprised a lot of Mustangs with my home-built HiPo Comet.

regards,

cobrajeff

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Examples of the build sheets for verified factory "HiPo Comets" for 1964 and 1965 can be seen in Bob Mannel's extremely thorough book on Ford small block V-8's.

Interesting....

Excerpt from -The Comet Cyclone Homepage-

How to tell a Hi-Po original car from one that is not.
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Question

What actually does determine a Hi-Po on the VIN of a Cyclone? Is it a K code like the Fairlanes or Mustangs, or is it totally different? (Doug)

Answer

As far as the HiPo car goes, there is no special vin code for one. They are all A codes just like a standard Cyclone. The only way you can verify having one is to have the original build sheet that is usually behind the instrument cluster or under one of the seats. At the bottom of the build sheet is usually something typed like "SUBSTITUTE 271/289 ENGINE PACKAGE". I have seen a couple of them and they all have some variation of this. I have the original paperwork that is from mine. Other differences are the export brace(see the picture underhood of my red car and you will notice it is a bolt in type instead of the welded in shock tower braces type on all the rest of the Comets and Falcons) It also has a unique 9" rear that has tapered axle tubes(very similar to the 65/66 Shelbys). There are other small differences like the exhaust pipe size, different driveshaft diameter and springs but only small stuff.

(credit - Jerry Straight)


Of course this website hasn't been upgraded in quite awhile...but this explains a lot.

I am trying to get a full copy of the TSB now.

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There certainly were 1964 Comets produced with 289 High Performance engines from Mercury factories. I've been researching them for over 10 years. The start of the documentation was 1964 Mercury T.S.B.#3 (of which I have an original copy)which stated that the 289 Special engine was available as a special order package. It went on to detail all of the 289 "HIPO" engine pieces, as well as the 3-speed H-D trans, 9-inch rear, etc. Most interesting in the detail was the optional Ford (not Leece-Neville) alternator and transistorized ignition system, as these were used on the Durability Comets. This engine package was made available to substantiate the records that were being made in Florida at Daytona by the Durability Comets. This engine had to be made available to the general public or the records wouldn't hold. This TSB was followed-up in April 17th (familiar date, intro. of Mustang!) of '64 by TSB#3A. This TSB curiously informed the dealer to destroy TSB#3! TSB#3A only listed the 289 "HIPO" engine as a complete assembly with it's own unique part no. and then all rest of the items. There were two rear ratios now listed, a 2.75 and a 3:89. Also a 3-speed (like the rcord cars used) and a 4-speed were offered. Interestingly enough a substantiated (matching serial number stamped into block) 1964 HIPO Comet just sold on eBay a couple of months ago. There is also one mentioned in Bob Mannels' small-block book. These were both built at the old San Jose Ford plant. These cars had a unique "HIPO" centrifigal-only advance distributor (looks like a "HIPO" dual-point) that used one set of transistorized ignition points. It had a C4GA part no. stamped into it (I have one). The 4-digit "A" is used on parts that were never to be put into the Ford parts system for sevice, so you could not go down to your local dealer and order one. Engine codes for 289 4-BBL engines in 1964 are a hot topic and a rather confusing one. At the start of the 1964 model year Ford had one 4-BBL engine, the 289 271H.P. "High-Performance", with solid-lifters and an engine code of "K". Mercury likewise only had one 4-BBL. 289 engine, but it was a 210H.P. hydraulic-lifter engine, similiar to the 1965 225H.P. but with only 9:2 to 1 compression and ran on regular fuel. This was the standard engine in the Cyclone when it was introduced in Feb.-'64. Even though the second TSB (3A)states that this engine would be coded "D" (for Daytona??) both substaniated "HIPO" cars have "K" stamped in for the engine codes, both in the engine compartment and on the door data tag. Also, Ford came out with essentially the Mercury 210H.P. 289 for their new Mustang and coded it "D"! So for a couple of months Ford and Mercury offered the same engine with opposite engine codes. For the record the Durability cars were built at the Metuchen N.J. plant. Also, the 1964 Comet Safari cars used 289 "HIPO's". These were built by Bill Stroppe in CA. They used single carbs., not dual-quad AFB set-ups like the Rallye Falcons, which are a whole other topic! Dan

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Now these are two dedicated COMET fans (HIPO Comet and cobrajeff)!

Thanx Guys!

I just wish I could find the documentation like presented here for the MEL years...

Now...If someone could explain the abscence of the W-Code 427 in the MUSTANG while MERC received it. Still haven't figured that one out. Understand mostly cost. MERC didn't mind spending the money and FORD did? FORD took a beating on the street in 67/68 (well truthfully from 1958 to 1968).

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If these existed they were not available to the general public in 64. Or maybe the dealers in Denver weren't aware of them, or maybe just a few were made for the "Friends of FOMOCO". I know I couldn't buy one.

John

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quote:
Originally posted by JCQuinn@work:

If these existed they were not available to the general public in 64. Or maybe the dealers in Denver weren't aware of them, or maybe just a few were made for the "Friends of FOMOCO". I know I couldn't buy one.

John


I would say their existence and availablity were not that well known. Many dealer salesman are actually not familiar with what they are selling (or what is available)-they want to move what is on the lot. You still get a different song and dance among dealer salespersons now.

They were certainly easier to come by than say a THUNDERBOLT or HI-RISE LIGHT WEIGHT GALAXY.

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Also older FORD Special Service Tools

-MEL Engine Forum-

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Like I said probably 1000 times.
You could get one for "special service" as a build deviation.
I HAVE SEEN THEM LIVE AND IN PERSON!!!!

But.....the 289 Hipo was never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never


RPO available in a 1964 Mercury Comet.

In case any of you have forgotten RPO stands for regular production option.
Peace.

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But the car was available. The THUNDERBOLT was RPO?

They pipe in sunlight where you are at?

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I tried to buy a Thunderbolt too, I was told NO. But they did offer to sell me a 427 powered F100 they even showed me a FOMOCO brochure. I said NO.

John

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A 1964 427 F-100????? Do tell!

(But start a new thread.)

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But they did offer to sell me a 427 powered F100 they even showed me a FOMOCO brochure. I said NO.

John




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There isn't any more to the story. The brochure showed an F-100 set up like a Thunderbolt with the long traction bars and a 427 with a four speed. I wasn't interested in racing a truck so I declined the offer.

John

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Barret/Jackson......lot#422...65 Fairlane "k" code with correct 3x2 induction.Is this for real?

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I tried to buy a Thunderbolt too, I was told NO. But they did offer to sell me a 427 powered F100 they even showed me a FOMOCO brochure. I said NO.

John


I have pics.

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Barret/Jackson......lot#422...65 Fairlane "k" code with correct 3x2 induction.Is this for real?

65 Fairlane K code is for real.
Tri-power induction was an over the counter Cobra kit deal.
Not factory correct.
No small blocks ever came factory equipped with Tri-Power induction.
Many thousands were sold over the counter and many were dealer installed.

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Thanks......welcome back

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RPO or LPO. Still makes them production. 427 Fairlanes were never RPO either but nobody questions their existance... except convertibles and wagons.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=452911712

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I get an invalid item!

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posted 02-23-2005 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DidgeyTrucker        Reply w/Quote
oops, try this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4529117128

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Yeah, so?

Never said there were no 65's.

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I know they made Hipo comets. I got one. A 65 Caliente. Found it by accident. found original owner. They were special order only cars. They have a 9in rearend, special drive shaft, special toploader trans, hipo engine, heavy swaybar(13/16), export brace, no welded in shock tower braces, special bracing on firewall, 42 amp alt,heavyduty suspension, 8 grand rotunda tach and on door tag the DSO# is 6 digit. The last 4 numbers is the # of the special order form. My car is axle code delete because he got a 4.10 rear and there is no code for a comet with this ratio. First owner sent pics. Will try to post. Hope this helps

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Welcome aboard 65hipocomet. I think we believe '65's were more readily available with the 271hp 289. The BIG question is about '64's.

Does your '65 have a "K" engine code in the VIN?

I started this several years ago when I found a '64 "K" code Comet for sale and it was obviously NOT a hipo car. I drove by the house a few days ago and it is still there.

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Hi My car has an A in vin for engine code. I was told all known hipo comets are A codes. Depending on who you talk to they made very few cars. I had this one a 1 1/2 years before I found out for sure what it was. I thought someone put the extra heavy duty stuff on it because I was told they never made any. I heard from some that they made as few as a dozen in 65. Most were cyclones. I know one was a 202 model. It is in Ohio. It's a x drag car. Really rough shape but he found the line ticket and it has the hipo package added on the bottom. The whole drive train is gone. I never seen a hipo comet in person except mine. I seen a few that looked like dealer installed cars. They were missing some key parts to be called factory cars. As for 64 hipo cars. There was one for sale on ebay about 6 months ago. Looked really rough. I think the owner really didn't know what he had. Put from pics it looked like the real deal. All I got is a Lincoln Mercury Service Bulletin 1964 series number 3A date 4-17-64 and in it it states " A 289 special performance and chassis option has been released for the 1964 comet This option is availabe through Dealer Special Order for all models except convertible and station wagons, and differs from the regular production cyclone model." Hope this helps

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posted 07-28-2005 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DidgeyTrucker        Reply w/Quote
I think you've got one of the B/FX cars. That would be worth tracking down the correst missing parts for.

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posted 07-28-2005 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65hipocomet        Reply w/Quote
Hi I don't have a B F/X car. It has regular bumpers, fenders and interior. A 64 K code comet was a low compression 4bbl car. The same engine as a D code ford car. Ford and Mercury didn't use the same letter code for their engines. Oddly Mercury says in the bulletin I got that they used D to identify the hipo. So Ford and Mercury just swapped letters on the two engines. If you notice the date on the bulletin it was mid april. The cyclone was a mid year car and the hipo was after that and it was a special order only car. I would say VERY FEW were made.

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Anyone have any idea on the story of the 65 Comet scooped hoods? I have seen a car with one around here, looks like the 66-67 hood more than a 64-65 AFX hood.

I would guess the BFX cars and maybe the AFX cars started as 271HP cars to get the 9" housing and were then modified like Thunderbolts were.

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posted 08-03-2005 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:

Anyone have any idea on the story of the 65 Comet scooped hoods? I have seen a car with one around here, looks like the 66-67 hood more than a 64-65 AFX hood.


Now figure this one out;

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I seen pictures of a BF/X comet. It had regular production shock tower supports. No export brace. Bfx comets were made early in the production year. I think they were regular comets sent out to be worked over. Bill Stroppe did I think 15 of them. I think Hipos were later.

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posted 08-06-2005 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:

Anyone have any idea on the story of the 65 Comet scooped hoods? I have seen a car with one around here, looks like the 66-67 hood more than a 64-65 AFX hood.


I think I misunderstood your question Tom. Are you referring to the steel hoods?

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quote:
Originally posted by JCQuinn@work:
I tried to buy a Thunderbolt too, I was told NO. But they did offer to sell me a 427 powered F100 they even showed me a FOMOCO brochure. I said NO.

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There we go Kultulz, that's the hood... it was steel?

The 427 truck is a very nice find. Wonder what else will turn up? It'd sure be nice to find one of the original SOHC Galaxies, a Group 2 Cougar or the late 67 427-4V, automatic test Fairlanes.

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posted 08-19-2005 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:

There we go Kultulz, that's the hood... it was steel?


Yes, it was steel. I believe this simulated scoop hood was available on high trim level (CYCLONE-CALIENTE) 64/65 COMETS. Of course, the 66 COMET was similiar.

I have a FINAL ISSUE of the 65/72 LINC-MERC MPC and of course the 65 COMET hood listing has been deleted.

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posted 08-19-2005 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DidgeyTrucker        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
There we go Kultulz, that's the hood... it was steel?

The 427 truck is a very nice find. Wonder what else will turn up? It'd sure be nice to find one of the original SOHC Galaxies, a Group 2 Cougar or the late 67 427-4V, automatic test Fairlanes.


I remember reading that the first appearance of the 427 SOHC was in a '64 Galaxie that was shown at the Indy 500.
I have a photo of a prototype 427 SOHC that shows the valve covers upside down (spark plugs at the bottom)!

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these hood were fiberglass /// offer as an opinon in 65 I just bought one and have friend with them on there cars Ray
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
Anyone have any idea on the story of the 65 Comet scooped hoods? I have seen a car with one around here, looks like the 66-67 hood more than a 64-65 AFX hood.

I would guess the BFX cars and maybe the AFX cars started as 271HP cars to get the 9" housing and were then modified like Thunderbolts were.


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There were two different scooped hoods for the '65 Comet - an "AFX" style with twin large raised scoops, and a "street" style that had twin low profile scoops similar to the '66-67 hood. I had two of those hoods for my '65 Caliente, one I swapped a used-car lot for off a Cyclone, and another I bought over the parts counter at my local Mercury dealer.


They were both fiberglass, and looked the same on the top. On the underside, the inner framework showed some differences - one (off the production car) had a molded inner frame, that looked similar to a standard steel hood inner, the other (from the parts dept.) had a more unfinished appearance, with exposed glass mat covering the X-frame inner.

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posted 09-23-2005 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cobrajeff:

There were two different scooped hoods for the '65 Comet - an "AFX" style with twin large raised scoops, and a "street" style that had twin low profile scoops similar to the '66-67 hood.

They were both fiberglass, and looked the same on the top. On the underside, the inner framework showed some differences - one (off the production car) had a molded inner frame, that looked similar to a standard steel hood inner, the other (from the parts dept.) had a more unfinished appearance, with exposed glass mat covering the X-frame inner.


OK...It seems I stand corrected. I never thought that the second hood was fiberglass. I was under the impression it was a high trim level steel hood. Sorry if I mislead anyone here. I need to do a little more thorough research before opening my mouth...

The below photo shows the underside of the A/FX with molded internal ducting to supply the 2X4 carbs. Are you saying the A/FX hood you had did not have this ducting?

And the "street hood" used a steel frame under the fiberglass skin or was it also fiberglass?__________________________________________

I see what you are saying now. You had two different street hoods, one assembly and the other service replacement.

I'll be OK...The medication doesn't kick-in until dusk...

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posted 09-23-2005 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DidgeyTrucker:

I have a photo of a prototype 427 SOHC that shows the valve covers upside down (spark plugs at the bottom)!


Must have been the LOW COMPRESSION VERSION...

Get it? Low Compression?

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this would be considered the end of story. the 64 comet hipo does exist. i have an original Lincoln-Mercury Service Bulletin Number 3 dated 10-4-63 in a 5 page document listing every part for the 289 hipo option for the 1964 comet caliente and cyclone.

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there are somepeople that never even heard of a 135 series cobra jet mustang. do you think that it is impossible for a true hipo comet to exist. my 64 comet cyclone is a true hipo.

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Aren't the "135 series" normally called the "Winternationals" cars? The non-GT cars built in late 67. The VIN has 135----- for a sequential number.

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Thats my understanding too Tom. Richie Pauleys 68 CJ Mustang is a 135*** car.

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i would like to post the Original hipo 289 option for the caliente and cyclone and have it viewed by all. trying to figure out how it would be done. any tips??

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quote:
Originally posted by nhraford:

i would like to post the Original hipo 289 option for the caliente and cyclone and have it viewed by all. trying to figure out how it would be done. any tips??


You would have to scan the pages of the service bulletin, turn them into .jpg format and post them on a photo host site and then refer following post to that URL.

I for one would love to have a quality scanned copy. Mr. F has the TSB but I cannot get a copy.

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posted 02-18-2006 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KULTULZ        Reply w/Quote
Another style hood (poor paint job);

Now is the above the same version as this?

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