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66bluefb
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posted 09-11-2002 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66bluefb   Click Here to Email 66bluefb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I sold a guy on e-bay my old 4 speed flywheel out of my 66-289 mustang.I told him that it was an 157 tooth flywheel cause thats what I thought I counted.Well now he`s saying its a 160 tooth flywheel and he wants his money back.Does ford make a 160 tooth?Would a 164 tooth fit my 289?I don`t know what to do.Any help would be appreciated. Thanks,Tony

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Jeff
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posted 09-11-2002 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff   Click Here to Email Jeff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 66bluefb:
I sold a guy on e-bay my old 4 speed flywheel out of my 66-289 mustang.I told him that it was an 157 tooth flywheel cause thats what I thought I counted.Well now he`s saying its a 160 tooth flywheel and he wants his money back.Does ford make a 160 tooth?Would a 164 tooth fit my 289?I don`t know what to do.Any help would be appreciated. Thanks,Tony

The only way the 164 tooth flywheel will fit is if you have the 164 tooth bell housing. My recollection is the lower bolts and block pins are slightly relocated. This bell housing flywheel combo was used on Ford light duty trucks and on '69-'73 351w and 351c engines. It also fits late Motorsport 302 and 351w blocks. I don't think its a perfect fit for your 289 or any early 302 block.

If you removed the flywheel from your working 289, it almost had to be a 157 tooth flywheel. Any 160 tooth flywheel would have the wrong ring gear pitch to fit with your starter, or would be too large in diameter to permit starter fit.

I think your buyer likely found a better deal and is hoping you can be talked into returning his money. If you sold it in good faith and you didn't scam him, I'd tell him to go away...he got what he asked for!


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66bluefb
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posted 09-11-2002 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66bluefb   Click Here to Email 66bluefb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Jeff, I thought it was a 157 tooth flywheel.I mean I havn`t had the car all of its life but I thought it would be a 157.I`ll e-mail the guy back and have him count the teeth again.Hey you live in Moore? Have I talked to you before?Do you go to any car shows?Tony

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-11-2002 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's either a 157 or a 164. Nothing in between Tony.

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johnmustang
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posted 09-11-2002 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 66bluefb:
I sold a guy on e-bay my old 4 speed flywheel out of my 66-289 mustang.I told him that it was an 157 tooth flywheel cause thats what I thought I counted.Well now he`s saying its a 160 tooth flywheel and he wants his money back.Does ford make a 160 tooth?Would a 164 tooth fit my 289?I don`t know what to do.Any help would be appreciated. Thanks,Tony

Tell him to send the flywheel back to you , make sure it is the one you sent him , if he is correct refund his money to him , if he is wrong send the flywheel back C.O.D.

JOHN

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66bluefb
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posted 09-12-2002 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66bluefb   Click Here to Email 66bluefb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The guy e-mailed me back and said he counted it 3 times and each time it comes up 160.He even said there is one on e-bay with 160 teeth.Well when I get it back I`LL count the teeth and check the flywheel numbers and if its 157 I`LL send it back COD The #s are C30E 6380B Tony

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-12-2002 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He is probably counting the spaces in between the teeth.

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rockafellz
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posted 09-12-2002 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rockafellz   Click Here to Email rockafellz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
He is probably counting the spaces in between the teeth.


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ccode67
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posted 09-12-2002 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67   Click Here to Email ccode67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had one that had 160 teeth, a guy at the clutch rebuilder said it had a replacement ring gear on it??????
I ended up buying another with 157 teeth.

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-12-2002 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is the guy from Canada????
Maybe he is counting in "metric"?

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johnmustang
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posted 09-12-2002 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for johnmustang   Click Here to Email johnmustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Is the guy from Canada????
Maybe he is counting in "metric"?


Now Alex that is just not called for. We Canadians can count up to 20 , and , the guys can count up to 21 if we take our pants off.

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bifs66
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posted 09-12-2002 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bifs66   Click Here to Email bifs66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many 289s came with 160 tooth flywheels and flexplates. Its more common than most people realize. They are interchangeable with the 157 variety (fits the small aluminum bellhousing, etc). As I've indicated in many other posts on this subject, I am currently holding an original 65 Mustang 289's flywheel (C3OE-6380-B) that has all it's 160 teeth intact.

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66bluefb
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posted 09-12-2002 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66bluefb   Click Here to Email 66bluefb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Bernie,The guy I sold the flywheel to told me he counted the teeth 4 times and came up with 160 each time.I will e-mail the man and refund his money.Thanks,Tony

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wkc51
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posted 09-13-2002 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wkc51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 66 Hipo has a 160 tooth flywheel in it. Orange dot on back side. I've only had the car for thirty years, so could have been replaced before I got it.

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Moneymaker
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posted 09-16-2002 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well it just goes to show you that with these cars, you just never know.
In all of the hundreds, no...make that thousands of SBF FoMoCo flywheels and flexpaltes that I have had, seen, installed, sold, I have never seen a 160 tooth flywheels. The again I guess that I never counted the teeth on every one of them either. MM's original stick 10.5 unit was a 157 and the automatic one that I pulled from the 66 GT-350H car (which I still have) was a 157.
In the classic Mustang hobby you always learn something new every day.

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Moneypit
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posted 11-29-2004 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneypit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A search lead me to this thread. I just pulled the flexplate off my 67 289 - C4 combo and I also counted 160 teeth. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one running into this. I'm replacing with a 157 tooth flexplate.

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gjz30075
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posted 11-30-2004 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gjz30075   Click Here to Email gjz30075     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, mine, too, had a 160 ring gear. Had to count four times to be sure. I replaced it with a 157 tooth'er. Starter still works but sounds different now.

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capri man
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posted 11-30-2004 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capri man   Click Here to Email capri man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just remember that ford always does it exactly a certain way!! except sometimes!!

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FoMoGo
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posted 11-30-2004 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FoMoGo   Click Here to Email FoMoGo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a copy of the original released engineering drawing for the C30E-6380-B flywheel the ring gear has 160 teeth.

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Stang72
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posted 12-12-2004 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stang72   Click Here to Email Stang72     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as i am also building a 4-speed behind my 351C,.. i bought a flywheel from this guy,.. he had 2 versions, 1 bigger than the other he counted the smaller one, and came up with 157tooth, so i needed the bigger one 164 tooth,.. (on my knowledge, ford only used 2 versions??? and he was sure it was from a 351C) so i took the bigger one home.. it has these stampings C5AE-6380-E on it and i counted 168 teeth?????? can someone explain this...??? an internet search also said it's for a 289/302/351 164 , 28oz imbalance wheel...???

it also uses a 10,5 clutch setup ,instead of the 11" i just purchased ... a friend of mine can fix me up with that,to drill some new holes for the 11" clutch.. (he works at a metalshop, the boss there race's for his hobby and made some all alumnium flywheel for himself, so he know's what he's doing)

does anyone has some ideas???

other flywheel is barely a option.. their not common around here.. (i know someone who has one, but is asking way to much money..)

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posted 09-06-2005 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarkH   Click Here to Email MarkH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, does anyone have a 160 tooth flexplate for sale, or now anyone that custom manufacture one? The guy rebuilding my engine has everthing except the flexplate, so if I can't find a working one, I'm not sure what to do. Apparently the one I have is worn out.

thanks,

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